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Mar 14 2016 09:25am
Quote (bonnerf2 @ Mar 14 2016 09:15am)
Anyways I've spoken enough. I wont say any more on EU rule discussions as its only the prerogative of top players to do so.


Ya keep quiet scrawn, only tourney champs have demonstrated they are worthy of editing the almighty EU LLD Bible.

Motto for LLD Rules: "If it's worth doing, its worth overdoing!"

I kid, I kid. Seems like you guys are getting closer to the next rule set. Good to see tele staffs finally going mainstream and seems rep is closer to balanced IMO.
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Mar 14 2016 09:31am
At frank I completely agree. However what I'm saying is ele dudu at 30 have 50/50 chance of killing libby too.
If I could kill libby without ele twinsen definately could.
But yeah without tele it's chanceless vs other chars and not as much fun.
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Mar 14 2016 09:37am

Quote (bonnerf2 @ 14 Mar 2016 16:15)
Balance. There are a hell of a lot of other unbalanced match-ups that no one is trying to ammend. Also there should also a balance between fun and competitiveness which is equally important. If people focused more on this then a bit of common sense would mean the need for a lot less rules.

I rarely play sorc on EU anymore although I used to and I found that particular duel boring as hell if it was meant to be played to current rules. I am also voicing the opinions of other people who I have spoken to about this who's main chars are sorcs.

Also I have a fair bit of experience of a sorc vs a tele barb so I know how that matchup plays out too.

If a sorc wants to walk/run a lot at the edges of a necros screen, and is reasonably patient it shouldn't lose regardless of prison. Why the aversion to it if in your opinion it doesnt matter? (also arguably its slightly different with a libby as a libby can get stuck on a bonewall by swinging at it trying to charge away whereas a sorc can keep moving along the wall).

Anyways I've spoken enough. I wont say any more on EU rule discussions as its only the prerogative of top players to do so.


From what I gather the suggestion of tele staves isn't limited to duels vs sorc? There is no valid reason to allow tele vs anything other than sorc, and that match up can be balanced without teleport. I'm not opposed allowing it on barb vs sorc, but then ES (or anything else) shouldn't be banned, as on east.

My aversion is towards unnecessarily long rules - if it adds no balance, it has no place.
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Mar 14 2016 11:07am
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From what I gather the suggestion of tele staves isn't limited to duels vs sorc? There is no valid reason to allow tele vs anything other than sorc, and that match up can be balanced without teleport. I'm not opposed allowing it on barb vs sorc, but then ES (or anything else) shouldn't be banned, as on east.

My aversion is towards unnecessarily long rules - if it adds no balance, it has no place.


I can't tell if you're trying to suggest banning teleport on sorc or that tele staffs should be banned vs nec/din/sin/druid/barb/zon

This post was edited by Worrywart on Mar 14 2016 11:08am
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I can't tell if you're trying to suggest banning teleport on sorc or that tele staffs should be banned vs nec/din/sin/druid/barb/zon



Barb would never beat zon if both have same frw cap
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Mar 14 2016 11:53am
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Barb would never beat zon if both have same frw cap



Barb has slightly more frw from the skill... It's about 25-30frw, but even that's hard to play w/
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Mar 14 2016 12:07pm
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Barb has slightly more frw from the skill... It's about 25-30frw, but even that's hard to play w/


Most eu barbs have like 35-38% from inc speed. Skill frw is superior to gear frw^^
also most east/west barbs use sander's or some rare prelods no?

If you get strbug on boots it makes a huge difference in how much the barb synches.

Built a barb for a mate with 70 inv + 30 war boots + 35% inc speed, worked alright in 1v1 and tvt even with budget gear/inv.

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Most eu barbs have like 35-38% from inc speed. Skill frw is superior to gear frw^^
also most east/west barbs use sander's or some rare prelods no?

If you get strbug on boots it makes a huge difference in how much the barb synches.

Built a barb for a mate with 70 inv + 30 war boots + 35% inc speed, worked alright in 1v1 and tvt even with budget gear/inv.



Most my barbs stick between 85-110frw , but barbs are built very differently realm from realm and it's quite noticeable haha
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Most my barbs stick between 85-110frw , but barbs are built very differently realm from realm and it's quite noticeable haha


just curious, how much of that is strbugged?
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Mar 14 2016 12:26pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 14 2016 11:25am)
just curious, how much of that is strbugged?



None of it, 08 boots sir
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