i am ruediger, and i pk those who say frw barbs are bad (no time to actually play anymore though)


sounds reasonable - will also weaken barb+sorc combo in tvt

tele staves for druid have been around for a while - see perzerker[pvp]'s profile

/- neither necro nor barb need (or should have) tele staves - but dr should be banned vs barb on sorc (as it is in the rules i linked in my first post in this topic, and dan and i agreed on after our epic hour long final)

- complete ban of cold armors on sorcs would have a positive (while minor) effect on duels vs necro (freeze) and barb (def) and a non negligible one vs ama (dodge), so i'm all for it

- boneprison vs sorc won't do anything other than make rules longer

- ama should definitely not have kb/amp vs anything other than sorc & druid

This post was edited by ruedigerpk on Mar 14 2016 08:21am

Watched and saw he was Locked

Dont know who did that, but for sure someone with an extremely high intellect

Guess it must have been a rule which was added without anyone actually testing it. Tbh it's nice to have ele dudus at 30 with tele. More char types equals more fun.

Once a char was built to these rules ppl didn't know how to
Fight against it and probably still don't. Since not many have been created.

High frw nado druids are insane fun too and as u say tele isn't needed vs melee. I actualy used to get 50/50 results vs libby too. Nowadays libby have no chance vs a windy with tele since the pala can't tele to get away. Trying to charge away just auto aims on the wolves and boom lol.

I can only give my opinion on libby since that's the only char I really play at 30.

Having said that if I played vs a less skilled player I would probably win so I can't argue

couldn't have been you then

n'importe qui

Rules should not be solely focused around the experiences of the top 1-2 people.

Who the hell would have the patience for a duel where one round lasts an hour? You want the rule to be a sorc has to remove her es, use no cold armor, use no dr, low rep and be expected to stay on screen against a char that naturally synchs well. Needless to say you like your barb. True they dont need a tele staff but it hurries the duel up and makes it more appealing to most. And just to be clear I very very rarely bother using a sorc.

Necs dont need tele I agree, although spirit is pretty mana intensive so its a sizeable tradeoff losing medi for tele. You dont see east nec's dominating either even though they can. Not a game changer (but idc either way).

I have duelled plenty of es sorcs where they stomped, got caught in spirits and had the chance to simply run away when they had no mana to tele. A bone prison here would definitely help, moreso than banning the cold armor vs nec.

Lee - On east I have killed plenty of windys and you are better than me, so you are right in thinking a lot of it is just twinsen's ability.

This post was edited by bonnerf2 on Mar 14 2016 08:45am

this

We don't lock just to lock but because we think it's fun to lock

how come you're judging that point, if you rarely play sorc?
top players show what potential a char has and therefore lay out the ground for its treatment by the rules meant to balance it.

i would encourage sorcs to play offensively - if getting caught by a line of bs proves fatal, they'll probably won't do it again.
also, similar effects can be achieved with bonewall - as vs libby.

Balance. There are a hell of a lot of other unbalanced match-ups that no one is trying to ammend. Also there should also a balance between fun and competitiveness which is equally important. If people focused more on this then a bit of common sense would mean the need for a lot less rules.

I rarely play sorc on EU anymore although I used to and I found that particular duel boring as hell if it was meant to be played to current rules. I am also voicing the opinions of other people who I have spoken to about this who's main chars are sorcs.

Also I have a fair bit of experience of a sorc vs a tele barb so I know how that matchup plays out too.

If a sorc wants to walk/run a lot at the edges of a necros screen, and is reasonably patient it shouldn't lose regardless of prison. Why the aversion to it if in your opinion it doesnt matter? (also arguably its slightly different with a libby as a libby can get stuck on a bonewall by swinging at it trying to charge away whereas a sorc can keep moving along the wall).

Anyways I've spoken enough. I wont say any more on EU rule discussions as its only the prerogative of top players to do so.

Agree