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Dec 18 2010 04:34pm
Foh should be allowed depending on the player.
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Quote (harabec @ Dec 18 2010 11:31pm)
with these nerfs foh is quite balanced
people just need to learn how to play against it



you are very wrong


no i'm not

foh requires nothing but just a click, it's a shitty skill for shitty chars
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Quote (Imbaboun @ 18 Dec 2010 23:32)
foh isnt even too op thats right, it's jsut boring and bring nothing interesting in the duel
rather play zeal vs zeal tbh


v/t is a very offensive char, for example vs amazon or assa
also it's one of the hardest chars to play.. you greatly misjudge it

Quote (dyl4nd0u @ 18 Dec 2010 23:33)
probably. still i wouldnt demand their reasons are not out of all reason.  :mellow:


what? don't understand what that's supposed to mean

Quote (Imbaboun @ 18 Dec 2010 23:35)
no i'm not

foh requires nothing but just a click, it's a shitty skill for shitty chars


if you think you can win a tournament with just foh, try :D

This post was edited by harabec on Dec 18 2010 04:37pm
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Quote (harabec @ Dec 18 2010 11:31pm)
with these nerfs foh is quite balanced
people just need to learn how to play against it


I'm not really going into discussion about foh, but you are wrong here.

Now foh can do like 3.2k dmg, and I cannot use higher res / abs vs it.
It gives: (3200 / 6) * 0.25 = ~130 pvp dmg.

With 8k foh, but maxed resist + tg it is:
(8000 / 6) * 0.15 - 40 = ~160 pvp dmg

So ye, you need to stack less, but dmg is almost the same.

/e

Quote (maximus_le_roi @ Dec 18 2010 11:38pm)
v/t is also top tier build.

peter, still not considering my offer ?

No thanks, no need to rebuild libby as mage. I had mage before and I didn't liked it so much as I like libby.
The only build where I really liked foh was lld mage (even if dmg was very low).


Quote (harabec @ Dec 18 2010 11:36pm)
v/t is a very offensive char, for example vs amazon or assa
also it's one of the hardest chars to play.. you greatly misjudge it

Any low/middle range char need to be offensive vs ama :P


Quote (maximus_le_roi @ Dec 18 2010 11:34pm)
Foh should be allowed depending on the player.

Makes no sense imho ;) And who will decide who can play it and who not? Bleh.
If you play v/t you should use skill which gives you most benefits.
Sometimes this means that duel is with pure foh - and this have nothing to do with beeing fair or w/e.
Or this need to be accepted, or v/t need to be banned.
Any other discussion about this is rather pointless.

/e 2
But anyway ppl should play more vs it, maybe it's like harabec said that ppl just doesn't used to play vs v/t.
However, I'm not so convinced personally ^^

This post was edited by kukiFBK on Dec 18 2010 04:49pm
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v/t is also top tier build.

peter, still not considering my offer ?
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Quote (kukiFBK @ Dec 18 2010 11:37pm)
I'm not really going into discussion about foh, but you are wrong here.

Now foh can do like 3.2k dmg, and I cannot use higher res / abs vs it.
It gives: (3200 / 6) * 0.25  = ~130 pvp dmg.

With 8k foh, but maxed resist + tg it is:
(8000 / 6) * 0.15 - 40 = ~160 pvp dmg

So ye, you need to stack less, but dmg is almost the same.


i have to admit ive never had problems with fohs and i cant remember lee/angelo loosing to fohs too much, even good ones. but he kinda outstacked them. i'd say they had a chance though because they'd fight a hammer with zero dr as smith.

still there were no fohs in tours. i dont see why reducing the ruleset while allowing foh with additional rules to crop fohs (in their strengths) after all.

Quote (maximus_le_roi @ Dec 18 2010 11:34pm)
Foh should be allowed depending on the player.


personality test, depending on ones character/values? all i can say is that you would fail at that.
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Quote (harabec @ Dec 18 2010 11:36pm)
v/t is a very offensive char, for example vs amazon or assa
also it's one of the hardest chars to play.. you greatly misjudge it


lol

its shit, i play poker which is the msot hardest game ever invented, foh is laughable

if you think you can win a tournament with just foh, try :D

read again what i've said, it's not overpowered, it's just boring to duel, it's not an interesting duel and this char ( paladin) already got enough bug abuses for him

i only play chars who have style and use stylish items : ama/barb/nec
rest is nigga

This post was edited by Imbaboun on Dec 18 2010 04:49pm
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Quote (Imbaboun @ 18 Dec 2010 23:47)
lol

its shit, i play poker which is the msot hardest game ever invented, foh is laughable


Quote (harabec @ 18 Dec 2010 23:36)
if you think you can win a tournament with just foh, try :D


pls!
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Quote (dyl4nd0u @ Dec 18 2010 11:44pm)
i have to admit ive never had problems with fohs and i cant remember lee/angelo loosing to fohs too much, even good ones. but he kinda outstacked them. i'd say they had a chance though because they'd fight a hammer with zero dr as smith.

still there were no fohs in tours. i dont see why reducing the ruleset while allowing foh with additional rules to crop fohs (in their strengths) after all.



personality test, depending on ones character/values? all i can say is that you would fail at that.


Why do you take things in the first degree ?

I'm just saying that some players will foh abuse, some won't.

e/ for example I would never allow julian ( tw3ety ) to play any kind of hyb pala that use foh xD

This post was edited by maximus_le_roi on Dec 18 2010 04:51pm
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Quote (maximus_le_roi @ Dec 18 2010 11:49pm)
Why do you take things  in the first degree ?

I'm just saying that some players will foh abuse, some won't.


And what foh abuse means?
If v/t uses foh vs hammer 95% of the time it's abuse or not?
He have skill called foh, so he can use it, it's simple. You cannot say that it can use it only 50% of the duel, lol ^^
And if he will use smite more than foh, he will lose. So this is no fair also. Vs some build you always have to 'abuse' foh to win.
It's totally not about player.

/e and with mages it can be even worse.
Def hammer + foh kill = ez. (3k / 3k is easy possible)

This post was edited by kukiFBK on Dec 18 2010 04:55pm
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