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Jan 26 2021 12:48pm
Quote (Avenged321 @ Jan 26 2021 01:46pm)
Think mb should be allowed otherwise barb steam rolls through like hld, also not sure ppl want to token every time they have to do fpk/ gm regular lld.


Barbs are one shot chars regardless of maxblock or not. People just need to learn how to avoid the damage / locks / c/t to get away.

Also it prevents duels from lasting long.
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Jan 26 2021 12:49pm
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Barbs are one shot chars regardless of maxblock or not. People just need to learn how to avoid the damage / locks / c/t to get away.

Also it prevents duels from lasting long.



No they’re not lol
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Jan 26 2021 12:51pm
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No they’re not lol


you're telling me your druid, sin, nec while amp'd does not get one shotted by a bvc?
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Jan 26 2021 12:53pm
Quote (CloudMD @ Jan 26 2021 10:51am)
you're telling me your druid, sin, nec while amp'd does not get one shotted by a bvc?



You’re saying having block won’t prevent you from getting steamrolled by barb? This guy done solved the lld meta.
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You’re saying having block won’t prevent you from getting steamrolled by barb? This guy done solved the lld meta.


no, what i said was barb will one shot you regardless of maxblock with amp.

25% chance of getting one shotted

hld or lld, barbs are very overpowered

hence why most fpkers dont want to tvb, dvb, nvb
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Jan 26 2021 12:55pm
bvb only fair duels
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Jan 26 2021 12:55pm
Quote (CloudMD @ Jan 26 2021 01:43pm)
EOP on all 4 classes
No max block
Amp allowed
Allowed to lower res
Bo is fair game
Recasting

What’s broken? Just curious. There’s a reason why I opened up this thread (see OP) to discuss what ppl enjoyed about 1.0 and to rebalance it in 2.0

/e don’t just say better barb wins. I highly doubt that’s the case.

I really think druid will be VERY OP if we were to implement EOP on all classes and amp.

It allows them to stack Wolves and oak too.. plus keep in mind bo’d druid


and at that point you might as well make a public announcement in this sub telling everyone to start buying and building bm characters with trash ass hybrids which is something i will never condone personally, but you can feel free to do you, if you think that makes "lld fpk" more balanced, it's up to you you are the one running the events and you have had success. i just think youd have even more success if you allowed more characters, that is all.

i will say it again, matt and ted are nice and play spear barbs these days, you have yet to witness a single barb playing at the top level in this fpk format, i watched this event man. you had a 300 fg robo naga barb'd team take 3rd place. just imagine if sit had been there in his actual gear sword barb with ted on sin.. or even shit, even you on sin. you haven't even seen me play my real barb im always on my joke one and even that does well. if you wanna do some fun matchups vs some ppl ill partner your sin with my barb and we can duel a sin/nec team.

even when you allow every single character barb sin is one of the top teams. the main point ill stick to though is apart from trying to use bm hybrids which could end up having a very negative impact in the community (like possibly making some rly dumb ppl act as if because it was allowed in your tournament its all of a sudden gm everywhere and in any kind of lld) there is no way to make this fpk lld thing actually balanced, druid will always be the odd character out. nec is b tier, druid is low b tier, sin is A tier, and barb is S tier... an S, A, B and lower B tier character format simply cannot be perfectly balanced.

i do applaud your attempt to make it possible though, youve done better than anyone else could have at trying to make it possible.
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Jan 26 2021 12:57pm
Quote (CloudMD @ Jan 26 2021 10:51am)
you're telling me your druid, sin, nec while amp'd does not get one shotted by a bvc?



So you’d rather your chance to get one shot to go from 25% to 80%?
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Jan 26 2021 12:57pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 26 2021 01:33pm)
yall all just lucky ted didnt have time to play on my dclaw sin. no joke that thing is a legit fucking a tier char with a good dueler on it that can handle that level of swaps, tele mechanics, and total skills. if it procs amp off a dflight in it can legit kill almost all chars just in that sequence. thing does stupid
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 26 2021 01:33pm)
yall all just lucky ted didnt have time to play on my dclaw sin. no joke that thing is a legit fucking a tier char with a good dueler on it that can handle that level of swaps, tele mechanics, and total skills. if it procs amp off a dflight in it can legit kill almost all chars just in that sequence. thing does stupid dmg.



Name itttt. We have Libbys and Brawlers.. Huntress! But she’s mean so... CUNTRESS
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Jan 26 2021 01:03pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 26 2021 10:33am)
yall all just lucky ted didnt have time to play on my dclaw sin. no joke that thing is a legit fucking a tier char with a good dueler on it that can handle that level of swaps, tele mechanics, and total skills. if it procs amp off a dflight in it can legit kill almost all chars just in that sequence. thing does stupid dmg.


lol i'm gonna have to try this some time. df is such a boss skill

Quote (CloudMD @ Jan 26 2021 08:51am)

More classes = more rules. And I’m just trying to simplify it by following a very common set of rules that take place in hld. Also to draw out more people from hld to join lld. I used to fpk in hld and vtpk but I like lld more cuz of the active community.

Idk why people are so anti - hld formats here. There’s melee tournaments that take place in lld that are quite literally the same as an hld format. So what’s the difference ?


for me, the beauty of lld is that every class can be viable and that there is more parity amongst each player.

anyway, it's your tournament tho so do your thing! i appreciate your efforts to bring activity regardless of my opinion. it's more that i don't like hybrids always being brought up as a solution to balance things.

Quote (CloudMD @ Jan 26 2021 10:43am)
EOP on all 4 classes
No max block
Amp allowed
Allowed to lower res
Bo is fair game
Recasting

What’s broken? Just curious. There’s a reason why I opened up this thread (see OP) to discuss what ppl enjoyed about 1.0 and to rebalance it in 2.0

/e don’t just say better barb wins. I highly doubt that’s the case.

I really think druid will be VERY OP if we were to implement EOP on all classes and amp.

It allows them to stack Wolves and oak too.. plus keep in mind bo’d druid


lower res would only serve to make sins stronger vs chars that aren't already stacked to the gills. they seem to be in a good spot already tho so i dunno if this is necessary. unless there is another element at play that i am unaware of?

it is tough to weigh the pros/cons of amp/bo because they are both just crazy op in a lot of settings.

you're already aware that the real balance problem is that druids are underwhelming and require an incredibly skilled pilot to be effective vs sin or barb comps. everything else seemed to be in a good enough spot as it is. although, we haven't yet gotten to seen what barbs can truly do since they were shamed in your first tourny lol. i do believe a barb team still took 3rd behind 2x sin/nec teams anyway.

i think the better approach would be to look for a way to buff druids alone instead of opening the gates to everything. possibly look into sin/nec comps but it's hard to conclude how strong anything really is in this format after only 1 tournament. everyone can agree that druids are in a bad spot tho.
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