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Jun 4 2019 02:31pm
Quote (Avenged123 @ Jun 4 2019 02:24pm)
V/t in 2019 is the same as v/t in 2010, there’s been no changes in viability for it. I mean, someone could have made 2k$ v/t better by getting items rolled but who’d waste that much money to die to anything besides melee? Lol.


anya bug made a V/T worse

increased c-f eth rep nagas made for a lot more barbs - v/t better

TvT vs 1v1 - v/t better

really tho "v/t" is a silly term to use. we're talking about any pally that uses FoH as one of their main attacks.

with a myriad of good skills in arguably the 2nd best kit of all classes there are 100% options for a top tier dueler. really the only char my build has a disadvantage against is sorc, i have swaps to be even or better vs every other build at 30 in lld. and many i'm well ahead of in advantage.
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Jun 4 2019 02:33pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 4 2019 01:31pm)
anya bug made a V/T worse

increased c-f eth rep nagas made for a lot more barbs - v/t better

TvT vs 1v1 - v/t better

really tho "v/t" is a silly term to use. we're talking about any pally that uses FoH as one of their main attacks.

with a myriad of good skills in arguably the 2nd best kit of all classes there are 100% options for a top tier dueler. really the only char my build has a disadvantage against is sorc, i have swaps to be even or better vs every other build at 30 in lld. and many i'm well ahead of in advantage.



When I say v/t, I mean smite/foh....
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Jun 4 2019 02:35pm
Quote (meegz1 @ Jun 4 2019 01:29pm)
who ended up with caleys 2pc/ias/2soc/amp flail? there werent many of those ever around



Not sure, don’t think he ever sold anything iirc... he guested everything out/let expire


He has one though in his profile
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When I say v/t, I mean smite/foh....


i understand that. and in HLD it's fine to do so, because actual smite-foh vs smite-foh is a thing. and smite and foh are both viable pvp builds for HLD.

in LLD neither smite nor foh is viable on it's own (except vs some builds), although some seem very determined to try it. so you have to add in things like zeal, charge, auras, etc.

it's almost like a guy made a thread to start to theory craft some of those things but butthurt kiddos got stuck on the phrase "v/t" and went straight to meme'ing, or something.
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Jun 4 2019 02:39pm
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i understand that. and in HLD it's fine to do so, because actual smite-foh vs smite-foh is a thing. and smite and foh are both viable pvp builds for HLD.

in LLD neither smite nor foh is viable on it's own (except vs some builds), although some seem very determined to try it. so you have to add in things like zeal, charge, auras, etc.

it's almost like a guy made a thread to start to theory craft some of those things but butthurt kiddos got stuck on the phrase "v/t" and went straight to meme'ing, or something.


No matter what other skills you add it’s still bad 🤣🤣🤣, any foh/smite variations of lld builds is just bad...
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Quote (Avenged123 @ Jun 4 2019 02:39pm)
No matter what other skills you add it’s still bad 🤣🤣🤣, any foh/smite variations of lld builds is just bad...


i'm not confident you'll read it the second time around, but i already said sorc is the only char my build has disadvantage on.

but feel free to draw on the 2010 part of your brain to tell me i'm wrong, for, ummmmmmmmm reasons. surely there must be something but..... nope. just feelings.
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Jun 4 2019 02:55pm
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i'm not confident you'll read it the second time around, but i already said sorc is the only char my build has disadvantage on.

but feel free to draw on the 2010 part of your brain to tell me i'm wrong, for, ummmmmmmmm reasons. surely there must be something but..... nope. just feelings.



I will beat you w/ a sorc.., pm me game.
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Jun 4 2019 03:04pm
Quote (Avenged123 @ Jun 4 2019 02:55pm)
I will beat you w/ a sorc.., pm me game.


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I think the issue is you trying to read too much into stuff, when speaking of v/t ppl are speaking specifically of smite/foh, you’re the only who thinks of v/t as a pally that also uses foh... again, if you think your dumb shock char or w/e has an advantage against sorc, pm me game.
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Jun 4 2019 03:15pm
Quote (Avenged123 @ Jun 4 2019 03:07pm)
I think the issue is you trying to read too much into stuff, when speaking of v/t ppl are speaking specifically of smite/foh, you’re the only who thinks of v/t as a pally that also uses foh... again, if you think your dumb shock char or w/e has an advantage against sorc, pm me game.


speaking of getting caught up on phrasing, it should be clear to anyone with over a 30 IQ i'm saying the shocker only has disadvantage against a sorc. as in viable vs any other build.

i dont get stuck on the names for existing builds. i create new and better ones. especially when trying to transition something from HLD to LLD. but i get why someone who can't think outside of the box would need strict "rules" for what things can be called. my char uses foh and smite, and charge and zeal. and might for team mates, as well as support auras. all things you dont need in an HLD v/t, because an HLD v/t doesnt have holes in their game that need filling because both smite and foh are viable on their own.

i can call it v/t+ if you'd like :rofl:

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