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Mar 23 2016 05:59pm
look up 76legits lld101 guides if they are archived anywhere.
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Quote (Scipi @ Mar 23 2016 02:55pm)
When will a 48 fcr barb ever hit anyone that's good at the game though? Can't kill what u can't catch, specially with small leap

Edit never fukd around with it do u just rock circlet mages


It can be done, its been being done for quite a few years now, leap just makes it a lot easier to do.

Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 23 2016 02:54pm)
problem is 90% of the available hybrids for people to get for the tourney are either Grief of honors or Enigma of Peace light plates.

and its a BM tourney, so fairness will be taken out of the equation. Tears are the goal, buttrage must ensue.


Being able to toss a Beast of Honor on Jin (as well as EoP and 20 fcr somewhere, mages im guessing) paired with a robo naga or even just a plain honor would be huge for his damage. Grief makes it a (potential) 1 hitter quitter though.

Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 23 2016 03:00pm)
i wonder, is it even worth it to use dmg jewels? might as well socket all pieces with prubies


ed/stat jewels aren't really worth it imo, your damage is already retarded. i'd rather have a 5bo 2 soc with base life and 2 prubies just to tank more

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Quote (meegz1 @ Mar 23 2016 07:10pm)
It can be done, its been being done for quite a few years now, leap just makes it a lot easier to do.



Being able to toss a Beast of Honor on Jin (as well as EoP and 20 fcr somewhere, mages im guessing) paired with a robo naga or even just a plain honor would be huge for his damage. Grief makes it a (potential) 1 hitter quitter though.



ed/stat jewels aren't really worth it imo, your damage is already retarded. i'd rather have a 5bo 2 soc with base life and 2 prubies just to tank more


Ya thats what im thinking. I wanna see a 3 os 80 life armor 3x ruby LOL
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Mar 23 2016 07:18pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 23 2016 08:11pm)
Ya thats what im thinking. I wanna see a 3 os 80 life armor 3x ruby LOL


1.14 broke my hero editor or i'd do some comparisons between ed/stat and rubies. should probably look and see if they've updated it yet.
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Mar 23 2016 07:23pm
Still brad without 63 it's too easy to cat n mouse and manipulate the barbs teles any good casters just gonna laugh at them swinging at air and the rare chain people get will get broken or baitd into a set of puddles
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Quote (Scipi @ Mar 23 2016 08:23pm)
Still brad without 63 it's too easy to cat n mouse and manipulate the barbs teles any good casters just gonna laugh at them swinging at air and the rare chain people get will get broken or baitd into a set of puddles


It depends on the matchup somewhat. If its BvS, and the sorc is at 105 while the barb is at 37? Then yeah its stupid hard for the barb. But in other matchups...? Not so much

37 fcr on barb (and sorc) is 10 frame
163 fcr on druid is 10 frame
102 fcr on sin is 10 frame
75 fcr on nec & paladin is 10 frame (and 125 is 9 frame)

so, even if its BvN and the nec is at 125 (at lld they won't be with EoP) you still have the 1 frame difference that gives you a good enough tele frame to make it viable even without leap. And the 75 fcr bp on nec is the same as barb at 37, so you're going to be just fine to keep up with the nec.
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Quote (meegz1 @ Mar 24 2016 05:18am)
1.14 broke my hero editor or i'd do some comparisons between ed/stat and rubies. should probably look and see if they've updated it yet.

Well, 400 dmg on grief boosted by 3 jewels (60 ed) is another 240 dmg on each hand before crit (not factoring war axe/naga dmg), not taking into account charms, with 40 x 3/xx/15 that's 120 so 60ed adds 72, so 312 on each hand with 60ed

3 x ruby is 114 life which basically gets doubled by level ~22/23 bo and becomes 228

so 312 is 53 pvp damage before crit, 53 dmg vs 228 life, depends how many hits you will usually land/receive

this also doesn't take into account 2nd, 3rd and 4th affixes on the ed jewels. 6str = 24 more base life, 8 life is max on a jewel which sucks, 9 dex (36 base life) if needed, usually not unless max block

This post was edited by Marieusz on Mar 23 2016 07:47pm
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Well, 400 dmg on grief boosted by 3 jewels (60 ed) is another 240 dmg on each hand before crit (not factoring war axe/naga dmg), not taking into account charms, with 40 x 3/xx/15 that's 120 so 60ed adds 72, so 312 on each hand with 60ed

3 x ruby is 114 life which basically gets doubled by level ~22/23 bo and becomes 228

so 312 is 53 pvp damage before crit, 53 dmg vs 228 life, depends how many hits you will usually land/receive

this also doesn't take into account 2nd, 3rd and 4th affixes on the ed jewels. 6str = 24 more base life, 8 life is max on a jewel which sucks, 9 dex (36 base life) if needed, usually not unless max block


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Quote (Marieusz @ Mar 23 2016 08:43pm)
Well, 400 dmg on grief boosted by 3 jewels (60 ed) is another 240 dmg on each hand before crit (not factoring war axe/naga dmg), not taking into account charms, with 40 x 3/xx/15 that's 120 so 60ed adds 72, so 312 on each hand with 60ed

3 x ruby is 114 life which basically gets doubled by level ~22/23 bo and becomes 228

so 312 is 53 pvp damage before crit, 53 dmg vs 228 life, depends how many hits you will usually land/receive

this also doesn't take into account 2nd, 3rd and 4th affixes on the ed jewels. 6str = 24 more base life, 8 life is max on a jewel which sucks, 9 dex (36 base life) if needed, usually not unless max block


i dont feel like sitting around doing the napkin math to figure out the ed% you're going to be getting on a standard 30 barb with EoP & GoH, but just that if you ignore the helm slot socket choices, the EoP & GoH compared to the non-hybrid barb, you're probably going to end up with a fair more ed% on the EoP & GoH version before you even add those sockets in to the equation. also, a ww/bo/xxx skill delirium of radiance would probably end up being at minimum on par with using our standard helms using ed/stat jewels, and in some cases would be a damage gain (as well as life gain, ofc)
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Mar 23 2016 08:48pm
Quote (meegz1 @ Mar 23 2016 08:30pm)
It depends on the matchup somewhat. If its BvS, and the sorc is at 105 while the barb is at 37? Then yeah its stupid hard for the barb. But in other matchups...? Not so much

37 fcr on barb (and sorc) is 10 frame
163 fcr on druid is 10 frame
102 fcr on sin is 10 frame
75 fcr on nec & paladin is 10 frame (and 125 is 9 frame)

so, even if its BvN and the nec is at 125 (at lld they won't be with EoP) you still have the 1 frame difference that gives you a good enough tele frame to make it viable even without leap. And the 75 fcr bp on nec is the same as barb at 37, so you're going to be just fine to keep up with the nec.


Yea that's relative to the same as hld if 63 vs 125 Nec 163 Druid 102 sin(still wud be IMO in lld) 37 is just too slow if you're facing a ninja esp how fast sins and necs run, I see what you mean though and the 1 shot factor does weigh in but eop baba rarely hits a trapper or sorc. Good Necs mixing frw in With trains and prison stand a good chance too
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