i will also be entering a lvl 18 nec

Response to Riox asking what identifies a pure charge pala.
So can a pala max charge and might and charge with vigor?

This is one reason why I changed the rule to 1 lvl off aura and 1 lvl charge. Made it much more fair.
If maxing charge and might is allowed we might see Paedo.

Sending 250 now for 3 lvl 18s and 2 lvl 30s

It is not my business to answer for this tour, but let me respond just briefly as i don't think this is the right place and time to discuss rules. I am not happy with a few aswell, but anyway.

The rules are mostly from johanns last tour i guess, with the addition of 5 Mdr (which makes sense) and 10 repl for bowas (which is an okay attempt, too)

We had lots of pala discussions in the past and balancing this op class at lvl18 isn't easy. What should be done is taking away too high 1hit potential, without banning too much.
To leave room for some char variety.
In the end, there is no best solution to do this, and Riox has a point asking.

I actually do like the "no dmg aura" approach combined with charge, vigor or blessed aim are still huge additions. And 1.5-2k+ dmg charge (Riox might have more adequate numbers) with 50%ds isn't hard to get even without aura and is waaaaay enough.
My libbies stats are about 1.1k+ charge dmg 50%ds with vigor. (around 6 points iirc in each charge and might)

what matters is some sort of "common sense" regarding "pure chargers are banned".
Maxing charge and maxing might is kinda the definition of a pure charger if you ask me. But yet again, you could obviously ask if 1pt Zeal, do you have a hybrid ?
Takes me to point above, use common sense. That is the only compromise possible imo, there is always room to compete the rules.
Riox uses Twitch, Deaths and Zeal , right? Could call it a Zeal/charge/throw hyb then ofc. I don't know what a Paedo char is, but you´ll know.

What you have stated isn't more fair. Not in any way imo. In two ways:

lvl 1 might and lvl 1 charge might help your char ( i don't know, just saying) , but might ban lots of others. Speaking about libbies it would render this fun char completely useless.

Controllability. You can observe if somebody is using charge and might / conc aura.
But you cannot observe if somebody is using lvl 1 might or lvl 8 might , if lvl 1 charge or lvl 8 charge or or or ..
This is what you would do, what player B would so, but what players C or D might not. You cannot control it and thats why i am against it.
I´d rather have max charge+might/no aura.
Just my cents, johann might have other opinions and i won't argue anymore here.

Sending fg too !

This post was edited by Sa_Se on Jan 8 2016 07:19am

by for feedback seb, ive answered a couple of points above.



Can do i suppose but seems really silly that there hasnt been something done in all the years of playing lvl 18 ^^

anyway rant over

This post was edited by chum on Jan 8 2016 09:14am

simply let them do it

edit: whoever those players might be

This post was edited by Sepulba on Jan 8 2016 09:16am

The nice thing to keep in mind is that even if a mostly pure charger exists, its not like they'll synch charge Fromm off screen, synch back off screen, and repeat. That'd be considered overly defensive play. So if you can survive one charge, there is some room for counter play (whether charge misses or is blocked, etc)

P.S:
Don't forget when you send fg to also send me the rest of the information I need please

This post was edited by Textbook on Jan 8 2016 09:30am

They wouldnt need to synch offscreen. They could simply charge the opponant do a small charge away (staying in screen) and charging back at them. keep repeating that, and when one hits they will just finish with a 1k dmg zeal and say "im not pure charge". Okay im slightly over-egging this but just letting you know its possible to do so.

Just to give you an idea. I've respeced Paedo just to illustrate the charge dmg (without using aura), also my pala comes under the rules as i have lvl 4 zeal (enough for 5 hits). The build only has 4 gcs (rest life/manas) and the charge dmg is: 75-2060 (using clegs btw). That dmg can also go up to about 2.5k. My pala uses ar/max jewels not 20max and 4 skillers only as i mentioned above.
Going to respec back to zeal, god that charge dmg makes me sick.


My chars info

account/character name/build

lvl 18
*Dem0n5/Kath/fb sorc
*Dem0n5/Aimazing/bowie
*Dem0n5/Zam/Kicker

lvl 30
*Dem0n3/Cave/Ghost
*Dem0n1/Bik/Libby



xD its not so much focused on this tour as much as it is for general lvl 18 dueling. Every pala i speak to and Riox will agree are speced differently. Some use max aura, some use might charge, some use max sac/zeal and some dont charge with aura.
As far as the lvl 18 rules go, i bloody love them, and the lvl 18 community has done a fantastic job, but us pala players seriously hate playing pala at lvl 18 because of the "wide-open" rules

This post was edited by chum on Jan 8 2016 09:56am

Gents you are all missing one key point here, at least for this tour - Riox is crap (didn't see any other zealots enter).

Let him enter with a lvl30 charger and I'd still whop him kk?

ull be the first victim franky

[QUOTE=xD its not so much focused on this tour as much as it is for general lvl 18 dueling. Every pala i speak to and Riox will agree are speced differently. Some use max aura, some use might charge, some use max sac/zeal and some dont charge with aura.
As far as the lvl 18 rules go, i bloody love them, and the lvl 18 community has done a fantastic job, but us pala players seriously hate playing pala at lvl 18 because of the "wide-open" rules[/QUOTE]


vouch this

would like to get a vote going or something on rules before all this starts i only charge with aim tvts/1vs1 i never have complaints (except andy and frank cuz they can never beat me)
i can start another topic for a vote on 18 paladin rules but last time i did i didnt get much of a response
im from east so we charge with might we have all of our rules laid out making a pally on euro i have followed the rules i was told in the tvts im not goingto pay my entry fee until i get a set of rules i can duel by but if you nerf me by not maxxing might i see no point my zeal dmg sucks as it is and my throw will suffer as will my charge then andy could prob get a win againest me i just cant have that

This post was edited by Riox on Jan 8 2016 11:09am

i may join this too, if i can find some stuff on eu. just need cookie cutter stuff, throwspear, and a circlet