I_ecca - As an olive branch, per PM -> I honestly do not see teleport charges as being the answer to Barb vs Sorc, however, if some barbs still want to have the option of teleport charges, I will allow it in the next tournament (vs Blizz and Fire Only most likely), as an option, with comparitive rules (i.e. resistances and block etc) as were in previous tournaments. I do not see teleport charges as the answer, but I won't stand in the way here since it was previously in the rules (in a previous tournament) and had no deep impact. (i.e. it didnt break the duel). It will need to be re-tested.

strong change imo,

its not a strong change. read my comment again
most of the older mld players are aware that we previously allowed teleport charges, and to repeat myself, most of the barbs, sorc, and other classes agreed that teleport charges were not the answer. if he is dead set on trying it, i won't squabble, better for him to test it himself, and who knows, it might balance out.

i will test it with some sorc players. when i find a charges amulet!

i mean allowing tele charges vs fb/blizz would be a strong change...

see post 63.

but if you change the rule of telecharges plz keep the current rules with no es mb. for non tele ofc

This post was edited by Sliky on Nov 7 2013 04:09pm

ofc!

This post was edited by i_ecca on Nov 7 2013 04:17pm

why so serious??

ppl who want to use teleport play sorcs
ppl who use frw use bowa/trapper/necro
ppl who use frw/charge use pala

strongest chars are
bowa, esfb, v/t

other ones weaker but can be played 1vs1
bone necro,barb can use 2 hyperion javelin for double throw + nice ww dmg, trapper, esblizz,eslight, libby,mage, plague.
java can be used in tvt and rabies

total useless builds: windy, fissure, psn necro, kicker, zealot, fury druid, fire claw druid.

yoou can allow tele charged amu on barb vs sorc, I see this no problem, ferdia you argue for no tele charge on barb vs sorc : it already been tested and it wasn't good. I dont see why you should have to ban something that isn't good, let ppl use it if they want 2 then:D



This post was edited by addesmile on Nov 7 2013 04:26pm

that's because all characters are basically the same.. the only crucial part of it is namelock. that's why people play mld, and that's why enigma of peace won't be allowed.



IF any additional rules should be added, its the ones below - as previously mentioned, we didn't add them to keep rules shorter

asn vs ama: frw is not the issue. it's hard to hit ama with traps, and even if they hit, it takes too many hits to kill. the only possible solution here, i believe, is to reduce lightning resist below 75%.. something like 65%.

fb vs ama: so far i've been able to kill any ama i've met. i_ecca was the hardest, but with patience, its also possible to kill him. once kfclol gets some more practise im sure amas will start losing.

barb vs blizz: get 30repl, strbug and possibly throwing weapons and if you keep losing, we can talk about it. lilithe is the only decent barb player in the tournament and he didn't score too bad vs sorc. i don't see cause for changing rules there.

necro vs blizz: in ep energy shield was banned in this match - the same would work at mld.

druid: ive tested tornado druid with charges vs ferdias ama a while ago and it did very well. im sure kfclol would kill people with it.

barb vs libby: in ep repl auras were banned in 1v1 in general. passive charge was highly restricted (no vigor, no medi, max 74fcr). similar measurements would be required to balance this match.

assa vs sorc: dual claw should be banned

ama vs barb: lightbolt and fury were banned in ep, still barb vs ama was in favor of ama. should be the same here at mld. i haven't dueled any barb that i didn't kill using bow slot only (no, not using jav+shield even to run).

frw in general: doesn't help balance much.. more frw just means more expensive inventory.

svs: put kfclol on a blizz and see if he loses to any fb

regarding java, smiter and similar builds: require too many rules to be able to win tournaments. anyone who wants to play smiter: get a foh scepter and dont cry about not being able to hit sorcs. java: go to public games and use fc.

This post was edited by harabec on Nov 7 2013 06:07pm