Plz stop raging.

Sorry that your pub views on whether smite is melee don't hold water with real duelers.

I'm sorry that you need to use HLD as an excuse for believing smite not to be melee in low level dueling (level 18).

If a runeword like Grief existed at level 18, then you would have a good reason to make the comparison. But it doesn't, and as majestikk pointed out, Smite is pretty much underpowered at level 18. Smiters get destroyed by zealots, the classic level 18 build.

But they do fare quite well against Conc barbs. Now, I believe krajee said this, there are ways around Smite, and there are ways around the ways around Smite. I was hoping to hear some suggestions on how to stop level 18 smiters with a Conc barb, since my friend is giving me his level 18 concer now that he's quitting.

The only suggestion I'm hearing is "make them duel bowzons and spear necros." Yeah, real balanced there.

smites never been melee imo. not when i hld'ed and not when i got into llding

on 101 maybe it is at lvl 28 and below; i never found that to be a good rule.

level 18 theyre underpowered but can beat conc barbs
level 30 theyre overpowered

only at level 9 would i say they are somewhat balanced more than any other level. 30+ its ridiculous to classify it as melee.

Pretty much, and I agree that it's ridiculous to classify it as melee at higher levels. However, Smite is considered to be a melee skill at level 18 on lld101, and most duelers you run into are going to consider it melee because it's a close-range physical attack. Smite's already fairly underpowered at level 18 anyway.

While you may not consider smite balanced at level 18 melee, what do you suggest? Have them duel Spear Necros and Guided bowzons? Come on, that's ridiculously unbalanced and you know it.

This post was edited by rjg on Feb 1 2007 03:11pm

28 is a good level for them. keep those bloody shaels away. and i dont mind dueling smiters with my lvl 18 zealot, i usually win. i dont consider smite "melee," it goes into the pseudo-melee category along with charged strike and whirlwind. but i duel them anyway, and who cares if your barb loses to them. sure they have the advantage, so suck it up and live with it. d2 is a giant game of rock paper scissors. smite is the rock to your conc barb's scissors.

Shade already told you. Put on a double throw helm and throw spears. And since you love to glitch throw, go ahead and BM some more while you're at it.

No need to thank Shade since I know you hate our guild. Just remember who helped you when you couldn't figure out the answer on your own.



A zealer who switches to smite in a melee duel is clearly BM. Since a smiter has no good matchups at level 18, I can understand why they would need to duel vs. melee characters even though they aren't melee. But switching to smite vs. a conc barbis BM, just as switching to a bow with a jabber would also be BM. Melee duels aren't about using tricks to win. They are about right clicking on the other guy and seeing who dies first using melee skills.

This post was edited by breakbeatz2 on Feb 1 2007 03:25pm

i left click with my zealer, am i bm?

omg so bm..

yes! ;p


They will help with your AR. However, I have over 2800ar without using life/ar charms. Since this is a defense build, I prefer the higher defense. 8 defense on a charm translates to 40 defense on a character. Even more if you prebuff. If I were to make an offensive conc barb I would probably use life/ar's under my GC's similar to a how a zealot would.

Smite isn't melee.

Wow. Do you even have any level 18 duelers? That might be the worst advice I've ever heard.

1) Good luck finding a DT helm - they're just as rare as conc, but I don't think anyone even keeps them
2) You have no points in Throwing Mastery so your damage/AR will be awful, and you will run out of spears way before you can kill a good smiter
3) Even assuming that you could hurt them with DT, you don't have the mana for more than 15 throws, and you won't take any DtM from a Smiter.
4) Your answer to killing another melee build is to switch to a ranged attack? LOLOL. Pub stylez!

Since I don't have the conc barb yet, I can't experiment to see how I would most effectively kill a level 18 smiter in a melee duel. As soon as I have a solution, I'll be sure to let you know.

And yes, switching to a bow with a jabber is BM in a melee duel because, get this, a bow isn't a melee weapon. I'm amazed I even need to make that point. Is switching to sacrifice BM? Is a TS sin hitting someone with a normal attack BM? omfg he switched skills BM BM!

While you claim that melee dueling is purely right-click (why wouldn't you use Conc on left-click...), it's quite easy to switch weapons without moving away from your opponent. It's still a melee duel involving melee skills.

This post was edited by rjg on Feb 1 2007 03:53pm