did you read what i wrote? honorsystem. player himself should know which he is doin.
i know its a problem for rulemakers. i know its a problem in tournaments. one of the reasons i dont really like tours.
imo bm ppl will be bm no matter what. unless we reduce lld to click and hold melee.

you didn't understand my question i think: even someone with honor who is new to lld i.eg. may ask: how long can i stay offscreen to rep/regen? what would you answer? "honorsystem" doesn't tell him much.
imo we should find an approx. time for the player to stay offscreen.
same we did for how many bonewalls are gm? we came up with 5 at a time.

i would answer that if he is there just to rep, its bm (does someone disagree btw?). if theres some other reason for its gm. If you put a time on how long you can stay offscreen, it will cause ppl to ALWAYS use that exact time, in which case the rule is counterproductive i guess?

plus then comes the question how often you can repeat this. no sense in going that road imo.

This post was edited by Matroskin on Dec 16 2010 09:02am

Ban scammers

from the europvp rules:
Player(s) must be active in duels. Intentional hiding or running away to replenish life is forbidden.
Corner/house camping is also forbidden.

however the praxis was that esp ES sorcs often attack, teleport away to regen mana and repeat.
it is understandable as es sorcs rely on their mana so theres no point in stating energy if you have to attack with empty manapool

the only way to prevent/reduce this: reduce replenish life of characters that are likely to use this strategy. (opponent has higher repl so this strategy automatically gets punished)

replenish life is very effective in lld because of the total life being very low. so you replenish a high % of life / time.. the lower your total life, the higher the % heal you get by replenish life
ES sorcs have the lowest life, so they profit the most from repl - and they are the characters who are most likely to use that aforementioned strategy.
->conclusion:
limit repl on ES sorc to the lowest amount possible (beay suggested 6 as peasant can spawn with that amount so this seems reasonable)
gradually upgrade repl limits based on how likely it is for a char to run away to heal (15ranged, 22melee seems ok.. perhaps 10 on nones sorc)

limiting "hiding to heal" to an absolute figure such as xx seconds is not practical

This post was edited by harabec on Dec 16 2010 09:18am

p skull vmagi + blood boots = 15 repl

god forbid your circ/ammy have repl

nn repl boots

repl limits that low restrict people from using the most appropriate gear, and penalizes some for having good items

mana boots for es sorcs, frw fhr res boots for non es, ck, there are enough choices.

ck boots are not a good choice for a sorc unless they never plan to tvt

no point in using res boots vs nec/hdin/bowa/melee/etc

blood boots > mana boots

not to mention the potential repl from amulet/rings/circlet/belt

This post was edited by ClanBK on Dec 16 2010 10:09am