Wtf Ferd, this rule : No Dr and no Holy shield on libby vs barbs, we tested this like 100 times in the past. it forces the paladin to play 100% defensive cuz he dies with 1 ww... put it back at 15 dr with holy shield u idiot...

This post was edited by Sliky on Mar 8 2012 03:34am

wasnt ferdi to do this, but maybe, it was a try to balance that duel
Btw harabec, I dont think it's a bad idea but u have to do some tests before putting it among rules
I think assa's cr would be review



This post was edited by Tornazzo on Mar 8 2012 04:02am

bowa/barb here!

Libby vs Barb is hard for both players, it was balanced just needed 1000+ duels vs libby's as barb to understand where and when to ww.



without testing no rules should be added or changed

This post was edited by Sliky on Mar 8 2012 04:38am

XDDDDDDDDDD

ofc there is a change
just checked it on my pala
48% Block without HS --> 16% when charging

or i just stat enough dex to have mb without hs



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please ignore the updated rules currently in profiles. they are still being looked at. consider the 17th tournament rules as the rules we are using, until otherwise noted.

and i agree with you sliky, without testing, no rule should ever be changed.

Once players have entered a tournament the rules should not be changed either (until the next tournament). In this instance I will probably TRY to propose new rules for this tournament before it starts. if there is no general consensus (85% of players needed to agree) then we will simlpy not change what was @ 17th tour.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 8 2012 05:42am

could u post a picture with the rules that will be used for the 18th tour.

you quoted me. read what I wrote.

now...in the meantime:


We have had 17 Tournaments. I have a nice big chart at home which counts the % of times X build wins vs. Y build.

Some simple facts:

(1) ESFB> BLIZZ. A more skilled Blizz will lose vs. a less skilled ESFB’er. Reducing cold resistance has to be on the cards (I’m thinking 175 cold resistance, no raven).

(2) Blizz > Nec. Increasing Cold resistance was the only thing we could think of. Harabec suggested it and TBH why not just try it.

(3) BOWA> Most Builds. Reducing the FRW limits would go a long way to balancing the build. There should be an optimal % FRW which will still give a Bowa a chance vs. Rabies, Barb and Java (nevermind casters). Several players suggested this and I agree. Reducing repl limits will need to be considered if this does not work.

(4) Libby > Barb. People want Medi Skilled in order to use both Hammer (spirit/branch/magic) and Charge(Oath or Better). This means that the paladin is going to repl X life over Y time. Things considered at length in the past included banning a hardpoint in medi, banning vigor passive charge, banning passive charge, all of which no one wanted. Banning DR vs. barb/Fury has worked, but Harabec suggested now banning holy shield. If someone has a better idea, then by all means, lets hear it.

(5) Blizz > Barb. Again Harabec suggested increasing the Res Limits and the no BO Sticks (or Shout in TvT). Honestly, I totally agreed with his TvT rational (how often do we see TvT’s without barbs?) Answer: not often. 250 res barb dies too fast, 275 res, barb dies too slow. I don’t know how to fix that.

(6) Druid < all. Rabies/Fury is the strongest type of Druid currently on offer. The reduced FRW on other builds is primarily there to increase this builds % chance to win. Teleport charges is the only other alternative I see. Teleport charges have been successfully used @ 30, and I think its about time we allowed druid players a chance to compete (and do well). There are 5 classes, druids have had the least success in the tournaments, why not change that.

1,2,3,4,5,6. If someone does not agree with the above suggestions, then post the number together with a brief description.

not included is teleport on barbs vs sorc's. my motto is if its allowed vs one build, it should be allowed vs all. no plans to allow it now or in the future. the only exception to the rule is V/T, and im looking for ways to change that. Barb is already very strong, other classes such as druid/assa need to be looked at, and barb has a prominant role in TvT's. sorc is anti char and thats just life. think of the 1v1 as good practice for tvt'ing (without teleport) with your barb. if you want teleport on a barb, go hld. barbs are already powerhouses, and have won a tournament (unlike druids/assassin and several other builds).

Regards
Ferdi

and 7, passive charge with V/T, the only way to allow that would be to nerf FoH even further.

This post was edited by ferdia on Mar 8 2012 07:00am

what about ESFB > Barb?
have you discussed about tele charges?

85 res is nice for the barb, but imo it's just not enough
any esfb with some patience can 5-0 a barb

or go with 85 res OR tele charges?

This post was edited by Flutter on Mar 8 2012 06:57am