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Feb 1 2007 02:14pm
Quote (breakbeatz2 @ Thu, Feb 1 2007, 12:11pm)
Is this LLD101?  No.

I'm talking about the general consensus of every high end D2 player, not the ancient rule Knarl made many years ago.

Everyone that knows anything about D2 knows that smite isn't considered melee.  Arguing otherwise is for noobs.  It gets brough up all the time by pub randoms and the conversation always goes like this:

Noob: Smite is melee because I looked up "melee" in the dictionary and it means any close ranged attack

Me:  I don't give a shit what the dictionary says

Noob: But read the dictionary, smite is melee!

Me: Smite isn't balanced with melee skills, it doesn't require AR to hit.

Noob: Websters > you

Me: The person who wrote the dictionary didn't play Diablo or know what skills were balanced with melee skills.

Noob: You can't argue with the actual definition of the word.

There you go rjg.  I saved you some time from playing the noob part in this discussion.  When you grow a brain and are able to understand that were categorize skills based on balance and not dictionary definitions then you can discuss.

kkbye


webster came before d2 though
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Feb 1 2007 02:21pm
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Is this LLD101?  No.

I'm talking about the general consensus of every high end D2 player, not the ancient rule Knarl made many years ago.

Everyone that knows anything about D2 knows that smite isn't considered melee.  Arguing otherwise is for noobs.  It gets brough up all the time by pub randoms and the conversation always goes like this:

Noob: Smite is melee because I looked up "melee" in the dictionary and it means any close ranged attack

Me:  I don't give a shit what the dictionary says

Noob: But read the dictionary, smite is melee!

Me: Smite isn't balanced with melee skills, it doesn't require AR to hit.

Noob: Websters > you

Me: The person who wrote the dictionary didn't play Diablo or know what skills were balanced with melee skills.

Noob: You can't argue with the actual definition of the word.

There you go rjg.  I saved you some time from playing the noob part in this discussion.  When you grow a brain and are able to understand that were categorize skills based on balance and not dictionary definitions then you can discuss.

kkbye


webster came before d2 though


Vouch. Dictionary pwned.

I offered the constructive criticism that many LLD's will consider smite a melee attack at level 18. (Actually, most people consider smite a melee attack because it's a close-range physical attack). If you want to duel this barb against other level 18 melee characters, you will run into smiters, or zealots using Smite and crushflange. I pointed out this flaw in the build because most competent level 18 duelers will know it and exploit it.

Rather than adjust the strategy (make it more offensive, adjust the skillset so you can use duskdeep, etc.), you immediately insult me. Fantastic guild. Do all LLDpk Archangles rage like you?

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Feb 1 2007 02:23pm
k I've seen enough rjg vs breakbeatz arguements now...
Isn't it time you guys stopped this nonsence?
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k I've seen enough rjg vs breakbeatz arguements now...
Isn't it time you guys stopped this nonsence?


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This post was edited by rjg on Feb 1 2007 02:25pm
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Feb 1 2007 02:26pm
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Actually, most people consider smite a melee attack because it's a close-range physical attack


Hehe thanks for demonstrating your pubness.

There's many ways to exploit this build, but few of them are melee. If you were capable of thinking past BM counters to this char, you might have thought of a 6x Eth rune pick on a zealer.

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Do all LLDpk Archangles rage like you?


Nope, just me. I offer great advice, I'm a great dueler, and I'm not that nice. You gotta take the bad with the good.

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Feb 1 2007 02:29pm
you two should totally fuck and get it over with
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Feb 1 2007 02:32pm
Apparently I'm a pub since I don't believe that Smite is a ranged attack. LOL.

How exactly is Smite BM though? That's a new one to me.

Again, smite is considered a melee skill at level 18. Since you're going to run into zealots who are smart enough to know how to use it properly, you better come up with an effective way to counter it. No need for rage.
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Feb 1 2007 02:39pm
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Again, smite is considered a melee skill at level 18


Nope

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How exactly is Smite BM though? That's a new one to me.


Make a game called melee duels, and bring a smiter... see what happens. I'll let others explain it to you.

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Since you're going to run into zealots who are smart enough to know how to use it properly


Since you're going to run into zealots who are BM enough to know how to use it. - Fixed your quote.

Besides, what's the point of telling us that a smiter can beat a slow attacking melee char that relies completely on high defense and 75% block? Duh. I can name many other non-melee level 18 builds that beat a conc barb. Good job, you thought of 1 of them.
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Feb 1 2007 02:46pm
I have a level 18 smiter, and I've never heard any complaints. Seriously, I can't stop laughing at the "strategy" involved here. If you can't beat a build, rather than adjust your strategy, you just declare it BM and rage.

The fact remains that Smite is a level 18 melee skill, and rather underpowered at that. Its only saving grace is that it has an advantage against the few defensive builds that run around. Rather than deal with the fact that most LLD's consider smite melee at level 18, you immediately insult me, presumably because I decimate your build. Try thinking of a solution perhaps?

Oh wait, you already did. According to bbz, smiters should apparently be fighting bowzons and spear necros.
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Feb 1 2007 02:49pm

smite does 57damage on my smiter
he sucks
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