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#51
Dec 16 2010 08:19am
Quote (ferdia @ 16 Dec 2010 16:12)
i agree with your first comment, not inclined to bring it up again as yes, its in effect a seperate issue (of sorts).

your comment is : reducing replenish life will potentially result in worse def play by users. this means that they are compensating due to having less replenish life.

I would say: it would make it easier to spot players that play too defencively, and certainly in tournaments, a referee could intervene, if required.


who decides whats "too defencive"?

Quote (BeAy @ 5 Dec 2010 12:32)
It seems to me like liferep is a too important factor in lld. It rewards patient and defensive play rather than 'skill' and leads to long and boring duels.
By 'skill' i mean good mechanics like fast namelocks or dodging attacks as well as predicting runways and using the right skill at the right time.


he does?
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#52
Dec 16 2010 08:21am
hm imo with less repl life allowed ppl would def less since it's not worth it anymore
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Dec 16 2010 08:22am
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Dec 16 2010 08:27am
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hm imo with less repl life allowed ppl would def less since it's not worth it anymore


imo thats not at all clear. and we should find proper words to distinguish defensive playstyle and pure rep/reg marathons... so that we could know we are discussing the same thing.
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Dec 16 2010 08:29am
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imo thats not at all clear. and we should find proper words to distinguish defensive playstyle and pure rep/reg marathons... so that we could know we are discussing the same thing.


play a plaguezon vs n-c on sorc and you get the definition of def play intended to replife
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Dec 16 2010 08:35am
Quote (Matroskin @ 16 Dec 2010 16:27)
imo thats not at all clear. and we should find proper words to distinguish defensive playstyle and pure rep/reg marathons... so that we could know we are discussing the same thing.


there are infinite different def playstyles.
i.eg. sorc:
1. stay on screen of the enemie, attack, tele/run to doge his attacks but stay on screen. this is how you dueled me on fw vs my windy some time ago. i love these kind of duels.
2. stay offscreen, just get in screen to attack once, then get off screen and return after x seconds. this number x variable. some players stay offscreen until mana is full again, some until life is full also.

impossible to tell exactly what's gm and what's bm. for sure staying of screen until life/mana are both full again is bm.

This post was edited by Perserker[PvP] on Dec 16 2010 08:36am
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Dec 16 2010 08:39am
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there are infinite different def playstyles.
i.eg. sorc:
1. stay on screen of the enemie, attack, tele/run to doge his attacks but stay on screen. this is how you dueled me on windy some time ago. i love these kind of duels.
2. stay offscreen, just get in screen to attack once, then get off screen and return after x seconds. this number x variable. some players stay offscreen until mana is full again, some until life is full also.

impossible to tell exactly what's gm and what's bm. for sure staying of screen until life/mana are both full again is bm.


my point was that theres a gm way of playin def and a bm one.
1. strategic def play
2. rep marathon

agreed?

ppl talking about "def play" as one thing is confusing. defplay and defwhore could be the words to separate the two things.
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Dec 16 2010 08:41am
Quote (Matroskin @ 16 Dec 2010 16:39)
my point was that theres a gm way of playin def and a bm one.
1. strategic def play
2. rep marathon

agreed?

ppl talking about "def play" as one thing is confusing. defplay and defwhore could be the words to separate the two things.


define what you mean with 1. and 2. plz
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Dec 16 2010 08:47am
Quote (Perserker[PvP] @ 16 Dec 2010 16:41)
define what you mean with 1. and 2. plz


Quote (Perserker[PvP] @ 16 Dec 2010 16:41)
define what you mean with 1. and 2. plz


hmm ill try..
1. attacking but not risking to get hit in order to get more dmg thru to opponent. Picking your shots basically.
2. running away to rep, attacking randomly just to mask it.

the intent is different. in the second one youre not really even tryin to damage the other player, just heal yourself.
yes, it can be impossible to tell which someone is doing. Thus, honoursystem.
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Dec 16 2010 08:50am
Quote (Matroskin @ 16 Dec 2010 16:47)
hmm ill try..
1. attacking but not risking to get hit in order to get more dmg thru to opponent. Picking your shots basically.
2. running away to rep, attacking randomly just to mask it.

the intent is different. in the second one youre not really even tryin to damage the other player, just heal yourself.
yes, it can be impossible to tell which someone is doing. Thus, honoursystem.


how would you characterize an es sorc casting blizz on a nec and teleporting away behind a corner, waiting there for 5-10 seconds, then attacking again and doing this all over again?
and how about 3-5 seconds? how about 1-2 seconds? where is the line to tell if it's 1. or 2.?
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