I can do some testing on open b net with david if we both get some time to try to determine what seems appropriate 19,20,21.

The point ofc is to set a lvl cap that will make the build more balanced and not op and to take into consideration class advantages. At 23 for example it still might not beat a charger but at 19 or 20 it might be too imba vs most other chars so that needs to be factored in as well

This post was edited by lld_mayhem on May 20 2010 09:51am

Yeah 21 have too much benefits imo. Dunno if shapers can get viable with just lvl 20 tho, but at 21 they could become too imba imo

e/ ok just lvl'd cs to 20. Later will duel minifoot nec, charger, and smite/hdin. Also will look for other chars to duel and let u know how it turns out at 20. Will make sure every char has 75 light res btw.

This post was edited by SirEdwards on May 20 2010 10:07am

I vote level 18. Some characters just aren't as powerful as others, but once you start messing with level caps it may become a slippery slope for other builds.

For example, should maulers be allowed to go to 20 in the melee bracket. Should hammerdins be restricted to level 29?

post your finding´s when you get a comfortable amount of intel. as of now I think lvl19 is considered gm for 19 sorc´s and perhaps a few other selct builds. this is a work in progress, but I think it could make the lvl bracket more popular and reinvent it with more excitement. I am willing to do something similar to what perz and ferdia did with lvl30 and lvl49 in my profile, having a list of accepted lvl caps/gm dueling rules.

The last thing I want to do is revert back to 101 brackets. If opening up 19 to sorcs leads to other classes doing the same, then I'd much rather just keep them at 18.

i´ll add you to the neh´s. but this is mostly about sorc´s because they are to weak at lvl18.

so far it´s just sorcs as far as i know. the possibility for other chars was discussed but not really voted on.

Well thats what we are trying to discuss. Im not trying to throw out an arbitrary number here, im actually going to test the builds in open vs a variety of builds both Op and non OP.
If a sorc at 21 slammed every build in our open testing obviously its too OP and we would claw it back until its competitive and not dominant. As i said before though theres always going to be class advantages so we are just going to test if the minor lvl tweaking would make them more competitive as a whole vs several builds and not "lets make this char as high as it can go until it beats a charger"

i dont know anything about lvl 30 anymore so the hammerdin question is out the window for me.

SUPER NO!


lets focus on what needs a boost. It would be nice if we can find a nice happy middle ground for all builds at the 18 bracket so there is much much much more variety.

i'm 100% for this.

those who have shown support of pushing the caps to at least 19:

ClanBK (lvl19)
rjg(lvl19)
elusive(lvl21)
ShamansEulogy(lvl19)
lld_mayhem(lvl19-20)
mikeyjd(lvl19-20)
DalaiLama(lvl21)
SirEdwards(lvl19-20)
bigspot_05(lvl21)
BloodLust911(lvl21)
Hong10(lvl19-20)
Ass_Hat(lvl19)
Antichrist-(lvl19)
minifoot(lvl20)
diablo2g(lvl20)
required(lvl21)
Ardlien(lvl20)
xvmurdacb(lvl19-20)

those opposed:

heprea(just no)
Linny(thinks 18 is fine)
Breakbeatz2(worried it might lead to confusion and sloppy/hazy rules on lvl caps)

From what I gather the lvl18 community as a whole at least agree on lvl19. 20 is more open to discussion, but I think 21 poses to many serious issues (105fcr bp/melee dmg using fine sustanance charms) to be considered at this time.Imo this is where we should start to see if it fixes the problem. iam willing to put the agreed upon gm rules including lvl caps in my profile if people think it would help keep things orderly.

This post was edited by mikeyjd on May 20 2010 10:16am