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Apr 3 2010 11:32pm
cadagan is the fucking man

i should mention that my posted stats are with max, even stacked res (8x life/res scs permanently in inventory). ANy switches i might make for different opponents would barely, if at all effect my damage. Something else to consider if comparing bonesnap to fuzziwuzzi.

edit: id be interested in a comparison of 2 handed charge. To be honest, i dont really notice a huge difference in effectiveness when using 1 hand charge. The 5.5k min 2 hand damage, on the other hand...

This post was edited by Ass_Hat on Apr 3 2010 11:39pm
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Quote (Ass_Hat @ Apr 4 2010 12:32am)
cadagan is the fucking man

i should mention that my posted stats are with max, even stacked res (8x life/res scs permanently in inventory). ANy switches i might make for different opponents would barely, if at all effect my damage. Something else to consider if comparing bonesnap to fuzziwuzzi.


n1, at first I didn't want to do all that calculating but beatz wanted it. Is it necessary for Bonesnap to use the armor he does, or is peace an option? He also has more ar than bonesnap tho, that may be a difference in charms, i'm not sure if yours are all 3/20/15's, i think fuzzi's are. I just figured if I was going to compare to a max dmg charger, I was going to compare it to the best one ;)

I may be able to do some calcs with 2h dmg with CB and maybe even peace (if you can use it) if you two post up the stats.
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Apr 3 2010 11:53pm
Quote (Cadagan @ Apr 3 2010 10:40pm)
n1, at first I didn't want to do all that calculating but beatz wanted it. Is it necessary for Bonesnap to use the armor he does, or is peace an option? He also has more ar than bonesnap tho, that may be a difference in charms, i'm not sure if yours are all 3/20/15's, i think fuzzi's are. I just figured if I was going to compare to a max dmg charger, I was going to compare it to the best one ;)

I may be able to do some calcs with 2h dmg with CB and maybe even peace (if you can use it) if you two post up the stats.


1/2 20ar, rest 18-19

Heres my setup vs hdins, necro's and any casters wheres res isn't needed (49%crit):


Heres my caster setup (all 75res without anyas)(49%crit):


Here's my 130 cold res setup(46%Crit):


I'm interested in what Bonesnaps life/mana/ar is on each setup? I like having a ton of setups specializing my char to every opponent.

Thanks cadagan for all the calculating :)

This post was edited by gobb on Apr 3 2010 11:55pm
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Apr 3 2010 11:57pm
The % are off, those are just ds % if I'm thinking correctly. I'm modifying the equations now.
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Apr 4 2010 12:33am
Quote (Cadagan @ Apr 4 2010 05:40am)
n1, at first I didn't want to do all that calculating but beatz wanted it. Is it necessary for Bonesnap to use the armor he does, or is peace an option? He also has more ar than bonesnap tho, that may be a difference in charms, i'm not sure if yours are all 3/20/15's, i think fuzzi's are. I just figured if I was going to compare to a max dmg charger, I was going to compare it to the best one ;)

I may be able to do some calcs with 2h dmg with CB and maybe even peace (if you can use it) if you two post up the stats.


Peace isnt an option as my charger is built around min/stat jewels in the 3Os life armor.
My charms are also rather bad. only about 1/3 have 15 life (the rest 14 life), and the ar likely averages below 15 across all charms. The ar im personally not too concerned about.

CB definately needs to be factored into this, i wear gtoes at almost all times. I also have the option to wear a 9ds/2Os crafted helm, with either 1 hand or 2 hand set ups.

My pre crit 2 hand stats certainly blow fuzzi's out of the water tho, 5.5 - 8.8k

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I removed Bonesnap while using honor for now, I am way too tired to figure out how to calculate Crit and Crushing blow's odds simultaneously.

hell this is already just crit

=(13332-M17)/(13332-2378)*0.25+((6666-M17)/(6666-1189)*0.75)
then cb
=((8852-M18)/(8852-5527)*0.65)+((8852-M17)/(8852-5527)*0.35)
then you gotta have percents if they happen together and without and blah blah zzzz sleepy time.



This post was edited by Cadagan on Apr 4 2010 01:29am
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Peace isnt an option as my charger is built around min/stat jewels in the 3Os life armor.
My charms are also rather bad. only about 1/3 have 15 life (the rest 14 life), and the ar likely averages below 15 across all charms. The ar im personally not too concerned about.

CB definately needs to be factored into this, i wear gtoes at almost all times. I also have the option to wear a 9ds/2Os crafted helm, with either 1 hand or 2 hand set ups.

My pre crit 2 hand stats certainly blow fuzzi's out of the water tho, 5.5 - 8.8k


but with the almost 50% ds he gets, cant you multiply his dmg by 1.5?
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Quote (Cadagan @ Apr 4 2010 12:23am)
I removed Bonesnap while using honor for now, I am way too tired to figure out how to calculate Crit and Crushing blow's odds simultaneously.

hell this is already just crit

=(13332-M17)/(13332-2378)*0.25+((6666-M17)/(6666-1189)*0.75)
then cb
=((8852-M18)/(8852-5527)*0.65)+((8852-M17)/(8852-5527)*0.35)
then you gotta have percents if they happen together and without and blah blah zzzz sleepy time.

http://i43.tinypic.com/1e6v68.jpg


That's quite intereting, when it comes down to average hits vs an average char max comes out on top. Min really shines vs low life chars.

Thanks for the informative calculations.

Quote (exxo @ Apr 4 2010 12:25am)
but with the almost 50% ds he gets, cant you multiply his dmg by 1.5?


Yes, essentially you can. Chargers rely on those big hits.

This post was edited by gobb on Apr 4 2010 02:10am
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Apr 4 2010 07:33am
So many basic math mistakes in this thread I don't even know where to start.
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