im rly happy you did ♥
i was unaware that was posted im just happy we have news from blizzard. theyre notorious for radio silence.

Banning shout in any situation is one of the most random things I’ve ever heard regarding d2 rules. No wait, most random just in all of general existence.

Right? I'm not crazy for bringing this up am I?
It literally makes no sense.

All you need is level 30 chars, no pots/shrines, rep cap, no slow, and ban on match-breaking stuff life BP vs frw chars, insight with es, BOing team, prayer hard stat, eth/no rep weapons.

These tiny inconsequential rules like ban shout or even -10% block on sorc just make the rules overly convoluted and unnecessary. Like werewolf said though, if someone wants to host their own tournament they can use whatever rules they want specifically for that tournament only.

Definitely. Nothing against EU llders, but it seems like they try so hard to go out of their way to make these meaningless rules that don't accomplish anything except over complicating things.

D2r specific rules will definitely come up though as time goes on unless they fix all the bugs

Ya that's to be expected. Like with firewall lol. Anyone who's played it and/or against it knows how insane it is in d2r.

I haven't dueled one yet but I made an orb/fw sorc pvm which focused on orb and even with way less focus on fw it does a lot better vs most stuff

The whole purpose of these rules is to enable each class to have 1 (or more) builds capable of winning a tournament. I appreciate that:

(a) alot of players do not want to compete in tournaments or ladders
(b) alot of players want to make their character as strong as it can be
(c) alot of players either do not know of rules, do not want any rules or wont play by any rules

in hindsight I appreciate that tournaments and balance are not for everyone, and alot of the tournaments rules cant be comprehended so well:

For normal pubs, a watered down version would look like this:
(if you think this is too much, just shout which rule you think should be removed and why). The below to my mind is not asking for much from the community.



This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 19 2021 01:46pm

It's actually hard to believe how insanely strong fw is (even without a fw orb) lol. You have to experience it for yourself first hand.



Ya I understand what you're going for. My suggestion I suppose, would be to focus more on general gm pub game rules for now. Get a nice base set of rules for everyone to agree upon. Try to focus on things that affect pvp overall, and maybe just tweek the s+ tier builds a bit (like fw). Or just let them be in pub games.
Then when it comes to hosting tournaments, you can always open discussion with participants to try to balance it in different ways. You can even have different tier'd tournaments like we had on east (B tier, C tier tours, etc).

This post was edited by trix123 on Nov 19 2021 01:45pm