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Nov 17 2021 11:22am
Quote (SackShadow @ Nov 17 2021 05:19pm)
Lol uses MLD/HLD quirks to justify poop LLD rule conjecture.
Seems like this is more of a forum for rule discussion than any actual precipitant of a decent tournament.
Also Ferdia= Kyu Sheeran


Prayer was banned on east a long time...and east rarely had lld tournaments nevermind mld ones... wait im being trolled, aaah!

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who care about being trolled by a welcher anyways ?
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Quote (Melatonina @ Nov 17 2021 02:05pm)
who care about being trolled by a welcher anyways ?



Incoming 30% warn, defaming fellationado.
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First of all, there is no where else to post this so I am posting this here. hopefully within the next 2 months D2R will have its own distinct sub forums, but until then, this is where I will post.

Right, so for those of you living under a rock, D2R is here. As I mentioned earlier in the year I will be hosting LLD and Later MLD Tournaments in D2R. The pla n is to host the first in December in "NonLadder".

There are 3 concerns as it stands:
1. Under supply of Items/Charms. I saw 1 good cold circlet, I think it was sniped for 2000fg+ (2/20/20/9dex/60mana) and 2 good Assassin 5 trap claws. I have also seen a few 3/xx/15's for sale (all the way up to 400fg each!) and 1 15/12. Other then that certain rares (circlets/amulets) are simply not seen yet.

2. WSG fixed. With WSG fixed, this is causing headaches at HLD in certain matchups. For LLD I will do some testing in the background and worst case scenario I will simply limit the total allowable FCR on an Assassin. I envisage being able to adapt other matchups relatively straight forwardly. (I understand there is a WW issue but broadly I dont see this as being too much of an issue noting Barb's with tele-staffs at 30 are already quite strong).

3. East vs Euro Rules. Most players do not like discussing rules ("my way or no way!"). I spoke to several players, I know no one is going to be 100% happy but at least for the tournaments that I host each class will be given the maximum chance to eek out a result between evenly matched players. The idea is that each class will have at least 1 build capable of winning a tournament (while accepting that in some cases its paper rock scissors with anti chars etc).

if you are reading this, and want to protest, be sure to post YOUR version of rules and we can scream and shout at each other for 2 months until I get something that I am happy with. (notice how I said I rather then we). In the meantime below is what I am leaning towards:

Amazon - cant wsg anymore. Balances certain matchups, making them more fair. tele staff on Java.
Assassin - MindBlast appears to be OP. Considering capping the max allowable FCR at 63% (will have to test this) or max allowable Mindblasts while namelocking (tempted to go with this one).
Barbarian - WW next delay? Noting Top End Barbs are monsters, I see this as balancing certain matchups.
Druid - Shaper is FUBAR. Consider allowing to lvl to 35. Desync no longer works, str bug no longer works. Tele Staff on Windy.
Necro - Tele Staff on Necro.
Paladin - No longer "dissapearadong". Not the end of the world. Skilled Medi remains banned.
Sorc - 65% block on Fire and Cold.

I will probably put a hard cap on FRW limits for Bowa (thinking 120) and adjust other builds/classes around this. Max 10 Repl on Sorc's, Max 15 on Ama/Assa and Max 20 on everything else is what I am leaning towards.

Again, I appreciate some people will not want these rules. I have no issues with players making their own rules and competing in their own bubble with those rules. I am simply trying to come up with a set of rules thats fair for each class.


Just saw this thread, not going to read all 43 pages so sorry if someone has brought this up already (though I doubt it)

fury druid is not definitely not FUBAR, no need to allow higher than lvl30

there was some rumor going around that ED was not applying to 1h damage or something strange like this - I can assure you this is false

sure the lack of desync makes it trickier to catch people but it is still manageable
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Nov 17 2021 03:32pm
It is your view that shapers do not need any sort of crutch because they are not fubar
It is my view that shapers need some sort of crutch because they are fubar

The ED re: 1h weapon was a rumor and was proven false

The only way to prove that Shapers are Fubar are via results vs well geared and well built opponents. I am only to happy to revisit the situation at that point. By all means stay at level 30 on your shaper.

in 4v4 there is not much difference between a lvl 30 and lvl 31 shaper. in 1v1 its almost a pointless duel (by pointless i mean you wont win many rounds vs every other class).

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It is your view that shapers do not need any sort of crutch because they are not fubar
It is my view that shapers need some sort of crutch because they are fubar

The ED re: 1h weapon was a rumor and was proven false

The only way to prove that Shapers are Fubar are via results vs well geared and well built opponents. I am only to happy to revisit the situation at that point. By all means stay at level 30 on your shaper.


cant fury hit like 3 frame in viable gear? frw desynch through wsg aside thats a big buff.
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Nov 17 2021 03:37pm
The entire problem for shapers, the forever problem, is the attack mechanic of fury, and the fact that it is all run based. i.e. if your opponent wants to stay away from you, they will always stay away from you. The only duels where that is not the case is vs the likes of a smiter, zealer (both fringe builds), java(fringe), kicker(fringe), another shaper(fringe), and a barb(better).

I appreciate that alot of players like playing shapers and I am throwing a small aid their way. its not game breaking.
I have not calced the attainable frames, its the principal of not being able to get into a position to hit your opponent.
I will see if I can get Ink or someone to run the numbers (if someone has done this already feel free to post here).

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Nov 17 2021 03:49pm
i haven't even read that part. Can we please just avoid giving builds the ability to lvl past lvl 30, at least as a start. If then a majority of ppl feel like the lack of fury druids in 1v1 is a massive problem, can't we just do something about it at that point?

If it's not much difference in 4v4, and a bad 1v1 build, then just let it stay as what it is.

I know a lot of ppl that are fans of a lot of fringe builds, will you allow them to lvl to 31 as well? Or does this only apply to fury druids?

I assume it doesn't. So lmk and i can send u a list of some fringe builds i'd like to be viable.
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Nov 17 2021 03:59pm
I honestly dont mind leaving druids at 30 but its a complete waste of the new breakpoints. I try to be inclusive rather then exclusive.
By all means send your list of fringe builds that you want viable. we dont need a repeat of diablo 2 where druids were an endangered species, every other class was always well represented.

sorcs have 4 builds
barbs have 1 which can have variants
nec's have 1
assassins have 1 main 1 fringe(probably 2 main now)
amazons have 1 main 1 fringe
paladins have 2 main and several fringe
druids have 1 main and 1 fringe


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I honestly dont mind leaving druids at 30 but its a complete waste. I try to be inclusive rather then exclusive.
By all means send your list of fringe builds that you want viable.


I'm glad to hear that!

Builds where a few lvls might be enough?

V/t?
javazon?
kicksin
conc barb
pure zeal
(feel free to put suggestions)

Builds that might need more lvls?:

psn dagger necro
psn nova necro?
summon necro
summon druid?
fissure?
(feel free to put suggestions)

And since we aren't banning any builds (fw), i'd like to get my holy freeze paladin back in pvp. Might need a few more lvls as well tho as it's not very strong

e/ what? Tele druids has always been around and been superstrong. And fury druids has also always been around lol, both in 1v1 and tvt.

There are other classes that are less represented XD necros for example, what are we doing about that?

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