andy only didnt place because he had almost as many ppl dodge him as ppl who dodged me, and it was a lot of ppl not wanting to duel it, for a vey good reason.

vs nec whether ur shooting 14 fpa or 9 fpa, it is irrelevant, once the arrow leaves your bow it moves faster than bone spirit, so ur gonna beat any necro unless you are a dipshit.

vs pally u can just do what most zons do nd throw javs for the win, since hdin isnt legal in b tier. so ur gonna win as many duels vs pally as any other zon would, and die to charge/zeal the same way a normal zon would.

vs barb, since ww is illegal u r going to slam any barb u duel.

vs sin u win with easy.

vs sorc, since fb and blizz r banned, u MIGHT lose to a decent nova or light sorc, but they would have to be decent, and there's still a chance u get a cpl max dmg crit and almost kill them in 2 hits or some shit and finish them off with jav.

vs druid you can literally beat any druid there is with light fury so doesnt matter.


it's simply not b-tier however you look at it, if the builds that could do well vs it were legal id understand, its an obvious a tier char and zons like marle and wasp r s tier.

bottom line is, if you are shooting 14 fpa or 9 fpa, it doesn't matter, you still have jav side, you still hit the same stats or better than the avg zon in every single category besides dmg where u do more and ias where u have less. maybe if your javs were 10x slower than other zons it would make sense trying to call it b tier, but you throw lf the same speed as any other zon, and the 1 char that has a chance in this entire format vs you which is charge/zeal, is gonna die just as hard to your javs as they would to a regular zons javs. everything else u can win vs in this format fairly easily.

This post was edited by MADIrishGunner on Jan 28 2021 04:51pm

Lmao no one cares

Do you even integrity

LEVEL 18 MELEE

/Topic Closed

Bp+mb is deadly

honestly if we were talking a C-tier tourney i'd get it. but it was b-tier.

and b-tier is based on builds, not gear. its not my fault i have insane gear lol. and its not andy's fault he's a godmode zon player. again, not the format. the format is builds.

if it were an average zon player on an average bowa just with a robo crossbow no one would have complained. and even with all of that skill and itemlame gap he didnt place due to the dodge mechanic balancing her out.

the truth is, in any b-tier or c-tier tourney my chars will be top notch, because ive been building b and c tier chars for a decade and just have a natural item advantage. the spirit of the tourney, imo, was to showcase some different chars. rather than having the same tourney with bowzons, hdins, sorcs, etc. in that sense i think it was fine to have an offmeta char regardless of balance. it just comes down to if u need balance or would just prefer fun. ive been taking 5-0s for years on my underpowered chars, so im not gonna listen to any tears about a xbow zon tbh. the damn thing cost like 25k fg lol, and it being called OP gives me a rock hard one brotha.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 29 2021 07:23am

10000% this

im happy for you, but the facts are there are no more dodges in tourneys due to a change in the rules, so it shouldn't be allowed because there won't be anymore dodges to quote you, to "balance her out".

also there was no other xbow zons in the event because you have the only one that exists. pretty sure everyone knows that a robo xbow zon would suck dick nd probably be d-tier at best, but you use a classic bow that is dupe worthy, i am happy you got to see it used in an event because of the fg you spent, i spent around that much maybe more to build my lvl 9 sac din that ill be using in the next vlld tourney so i totally agree with your feelings on that, but i also agree with you about the dodge count thing, and as the next event won't have that it would not be balanced. that's all im saying.

see even asylum agrees with you, with no dodges its not fair. case closed.

This post was edited by MADIrishGunner on Jan 29 2021 07:37am

it just comes down to if balance is a feasible goal. when you're letting in offmeta builds in an untested environment it isnt, imo. we as players with 10 years experience can have an idea of what's good and what's bad, then shit can go sideways. Trix once took 3rd in a HUGE field tourney on a v/t, even with a heavy amount of barbs people were shocked. i once took 3rd on my shock pally in a tourney, everyone but me was shocked but i eat zons omm nom.

but my bow isnt dupe worthy, its a dupe :P. just a rare one with very few left. once 1.10 hit bowas used less and less xbows. and most died out.

Tourney discussion threads always end up the worst