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Jan 26 2021 11:20am
Quote (IAmAsylum @ Jan 26 2021 04:16pm)
what about leaving everything else alone but allow EOP for druid?

Would that make druid viable vs tele staff nec and sin? and Barb since barb cant block nados and now druid can tele with shield

edit: how bad is 63 fcr vs 99?

druid either has to go with a circ, eye of the walless (or w/e it's called) or run 63 fcr



i dont think eop will change anything vs assa (as druid) 99 fcr is so much better vs nearly everything!

also: not using a pelt is so bad dmg wise...

edit: sadly i only played one game with haseo. i would have loved to play some more. even if druid/barb is by far the worst team. id even say: assa+nec would have been our easiest matchup. overall i would say druid+nec looks promising!

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Quote (Invisibl @ Jan 26 2021 11:20am)
i dont think eop will change anything vs assa (as druid) 99 fcr is so much better vs nearly everything!

also: not using a pelt is so bad dmg wise...


yeah druid would have to do 63 with whitsans vs barb and 99 with eyeless vs all I bet

would let you have spirit + shield both sides for wsg in MB at least, but still
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Quote (IAmAsylum @ Jan 26 2021 06:25pm)
yeah druid would have to do 63 with whitsans vs barb and 99 with eyeless vs all I bet

would let you have spirit + shield both sides for wsg in MB at least, but still



barbs are just melting druids. maybe a eop would help out here a bit. would have to test it.

another problem eop brings: mana is running low really fast.

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when you dont need block. you can use splendor of rhyme (i think thats how its called) + 2 fcr rings + pelt. that would prolly help vs assa. (youd keep 99fhr, too)

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Quote (Avenged321 @ Jan 26 2021 09:19am)
Eop Druid would be too strong if it’s the only char w/ eop... only barb will really stand a chance, and you could just l8z it more than in hld.



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barbs are just melting druids. maybe a eop would help out here a bit. would have to test it.

another problem eop brings: mana is running low really fast.


I mean that's what balances it on druid

mana issues
fcr issues
dmg issues (depending on how fcr is solved)
block issues (depending on how fcr is solved)


IDK like Ted says, it's probably a "chasing our tail" issue where you make one change and it just makes another build OP instead of making them even
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Quote (CloudMD @ Jan 26 2021 11:51am)
Considering it.



Ppl need to stop riding scipi and Brothagoo.
They are not immortal tbh. I don’t know why people even ph34r them. Are they good? Yes of course. The duels between me Jesus and Ted and Matt were very fun and from a skill base it was very close. In fact we were up 3-1 before we threw our lead away. I’m interested to see what happens in the duels tonight considering it’s going to be the exact same mirror mu for 1st and 2nd place.

Guarantee me and Jesus would give them both a challenge if it was my nec sin vs their barb sin as well.

Also, stating that limiting a tournament based on characters classes makes it for a less skilled environment is completely false. You literally just tried to host a zon / vt tournament.

Every single person appreciated the 2v2 and ive been overwhelmed with positive feedback so far. And I say this confidently that the vast majority said it’s been the best tournament they’ve participated in. This is why I’ve considered hosting a 2.0 fpk tournament and opened up the floor for discussion on specific Fpk tournament rules. Im not gonna change the format. This topic is only to discuss these four classes of characters and not for people to come in and try and convince me to include other classes.




More classes = more rules. And I’m just trying to simplify it by following a very common set of rules that take place in hld. Also to draw out more people from hld to join lld. I used to fpk in hld and vtpk but I like lld more cuz of the active community.

Idk why people are so anti - hld formats here. There’s melee tournaments that take place in lld that are quite literally the same as an hld format. So what’s the difference ?


1) youve been in lld for 2 months tops bro, and in that time you have yet to see matt or ted play a real barb,you've only witnessed them on spear barbs and bec barbs because they are fucking op with real ones so they are kind to ppl and play the weaker builds. i am not riding anybody, i am going off of my experiences witnessing them plus the other ppl participating in this event for a very long time. im not knocking your tournament but2)id also like to point out that there is no way in hell you received more positive feedback about this event than there was about asylums b tier event because it had like 3 times the participants and is what inspired every single tournament that has happened in the last half a year or w/e other than maybe yours because you are new to the community and probably didnt know about it.

also, i'd like to clarify i did not "try" to have a zon/vt tourney, i threw an idea out there for something that is a fun mirror match. i guarantee you had this 2v2 event you just held been all 7 classes allowed, you'd have gotten more signups, period. there is no arguing that because ive heard from several ppl who did not sign up simply because of 3 classes not being allowed. it was a 10k fg tourney man, it was bound to be successful and i fully support you doing more, i simply asked if you could shoot me a pm if you ever decide to hold an event for every character. ive played in this community for a long time man, and i'm telling you with 100% honesty that mirror matches excluding half of the diablo 2 character class roster is not more skill intensive than matches allowing everything.

im sending this in a pm to avoid drama, im just being honest with you man, you can do what you want with the information i have offered.


1) ?? i've literally dueled both their bvc's lol. and doesnt matter if i've been here for 2 months. not sure what difference that makes.
2) and not one of my 16 participants said anything bad about this tournament. facts. and get your facts straight ty.
3) then why are there so many rules on everything. so many people complain about fball sorcs, hdins, plague zons, chargers and fire wall sorcs. why ban these chars as you and some other people suggested in the past? why ban bo'd teams? why ban this and that etc. i just come here with a fresh mindset and it seemed like people in the community are taking it pretty well. the people who didnt participate are the ones shitting on it. and of those people, they main one-shot chargers, zons, and hdins.

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Jan 26 2021 11:40am
Quote (Avenged321 @ Jan 26 2021 12:19pm)
Eop Druid would be too strong if it’s the only char w/ eop... only barb will really stand a chance, and you could just l8z it more than in hld.


i agree as well. but banning maxblock but at same time allowing lower res/amp and bo barb'd teams is an interesting discussion that i think the only way to determine what's broken is to host a tournament of 2v2 or 3v3 ( i assume most 3v3 will have at least one barb, one nec, and then either druid or sin)

or we can make a 4v4 tournament format and it just all balances it self out.
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21 in b tier my bad

but we kicked at last 4-5 for no duels

double elim is the master race for tourney's now
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Jan 26 2021 11:53am
Quote (CloudMD @ Jan 26 2021 09:40am)
i agree as well. but banning maxblock but at same time allowing lower res/amp and bo barb'd teams is an interesting discussion that i think the only way to determine what's broken is to host a tournament of 2v2 or 3v3 ( i assume most 3v3 will have at least one barb, one nec, and then either druid or sin)

or we can make a 4v4 tournament format and it just all balances it self out.



3v3 automatically equals more balanced teams

Even in hld 2v2 there’s more dominant team than the others... I think nec/barb > hld
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