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May 31 2018 11:19am
Quote (thesnipa @ May 31 2018 01:10pm)
You seem to have been fixated on a pretty benign detail. when i typed "24 maxer" i meant "magic jewel", thus my explanation of expensive rare jewels vs basic magic jewels. but anyhow, 24 maxers and 20-15s make for almost the same damage on average, the difference is minimal. if you're making a weapon robo obv 20-15 it if u can get them at the same availability.



tbh i choose between rhyme swap and deaths combo depending on the matchup.

vs a blizzer imo deaths is a waste, as long as you have a cold res ammy to make up for the res and can still cap. MDR on deaths is sick and who needs javs vs a blizzer.



pp's and 5 frws dont become perm once socketed, tho. there in lies the difference.


Idc so why is half the zons using unperm 3/20/5's????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

There in lies the difference. Regardless I could debate all day, its just a matter of time before I get my 12-18 damage jewel duped and then ill be redoing everything so I can fit in with you guys. My charger gonna be so cheap lol.

Be like slam and razor just not imported.

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May 31 2018 11:36am
Quote (QueeF @ May 31 2018 11:19am)
Idc so why is half the zons using unperm 3/20/5's????????
There in lies the difference. Regardless I could debate all day, its just a matter of time before I get my 12-18 damage jewel duped and then ill be redoing everything so I can fit in with you guys. My charger gonna be so cheap lol.

Be like slam and razor just not imported.


1. who's using unperm 3/20/5's? i can't name anyone, but i dont know everyone's gear. honest question, maybe it's more common than i know of. my zon has zero unperms as all of my chars have zero unperms.

2. some people use duped rare jewels but not everyone, i certainly don't. even my magics were shop bought from a website that mass botted rather than duping. if people wanna start using duped rares i dont care but won't personally convert, it would only be a small upgrade for my chars tbh.

3. I've got the best unduped jewel on east (20ed/6str/9dex/30light res) that i know of. its been rotting on a mule for 10 years lol

4. lots of people quit when importing came around, those who stayed accepted that silly expensive items were coming. while im not a fan of it i don't find it makes up for skill all that much. i've taken down razor and hoe on a poi dagger sin.


honestly tho, the scene is too dead to not let people do what they want. keep hybrids out and we'll be fine with w/e. we can't even host a tour, so that aspect doesn't really come into play.

This post was edited by thesnipa on May 31 2018 11:37am
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May 31 2018 11:47am
Quote (thesnipa @ May 31 2018 06:36pm)
1. who's using unperm 3/20/5's? i can't name anyone, but i dont know everyone's gear. honest question, maybe it's more common than i know of. my zon has zero unperms as all of my chars have zero unperms.

2. some people use duped rare jewels but not everyone, i certainly don't. even my magics were shop bought from a website that mass botted rather than duping. if people wanna start using duped rares i dont care but won't personally convert, it would only be a small upgrade for my chars tbh.

3. I've got the best unduped jewel on east (20ed/6str/9dex/30light res) that i know of. its been rotting on a mule for 10 years lol

4. lots of people quit when importing came around, those who stayed accepted that silly expensive items were coming. while im not a fan of it i don't find it makes up for skill all that much. i've taken down razor and hoe on a poi dagger sin.


honestly tho, the scene is too dead to not let people do what they want. keep hybrids out and we'll be fine with w/e. we can't even host a tour, so that aspect doesn't really come into play.


Yes yes and yes. Mikey quit once imports came around and alot of ppl followed troop. And ppl have been poking fun of "creditcard warriors" in the lld forum for years, As for Razor's circ for example, i know james traded an crazy HLD Gclaw ( i think that is what he called it but not sure.) wich could have been worth up to liek 80k in these times.
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May 31 2018 11:48am
Quote (thesnipa @ May 31 2018 01:36pm)
1. who's using unperm 3/20/5's? i can't name anyone, but i dont know everyone's gear. honest question, maybe it's more common than i know of. my zon has zero unperms as all of my chars have zero unperms.

2. some people use duped rare jewels but not everyone, i certainly don't. even my magics were shop bought from a website that mass botted rather than duping. if people wanna start using duped rares i dont care but won't personally convert, it would only be a small upgrade for my chars tbh.

3. I've got the best unduped jewel on east (20ed/6str/9dex/30light res) that i know of. its been rotting on a mule for 10 years lol

4. lots of people quit when importing came around, those who stayed accepted that silly expensive items were coming. while im not a fan of it i don't find it makes up for skill all that much. i've taken down razor and hoe on a poi dagger sin.


honestly tho, the scene is too dead to not let people do what they want. keep hybrids out and we'll be fine with w/e. we can't even host a tour, so that aspect doesn't really come into play.


1. Might not be as much now but before wsg got patched every single zon had em. I even saw barbs using em...
2. Same thing basically. No1 would have any idea what is duped and what isn't when it comes to blues. You can even trick ppl and soc em diff ways. Or you can say they are legit meanwhile you bought 3x duped. Never ending argument.
3. That jewel is trash not gonna lie, might be perfect stats but I can pm around 5 resellers right now and I can find better lol. Prob even get 1 with cold res.
4. Yeah me 2 man I accepted it / not a fan but yeah ive beat slam / razor tons of times. Beat that nec plenty of times hvn. Can't beat him on my charger though :(

Where im at is if people wanna use imports / dupes / pp's , whatever else you wanna call em. Houdini poof poofs. Then hell yeah im gonna be using duped jewels.

You expect new comers to be dropping 200$ on imports? I understand gear doesn't = skill but it def factors in when you got dual amp on both sides. A circlet that even ripley's wouldn't believe....lol


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May 31 2018 11:51am
'might be perfect but i can find better'

yes please, find me a better jewel than one with perfect stats
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May 31 2018 11:54am
Quote (meegz1 @ May 31 2018 01:51pm)
'might be perfect but i can find better'

yes please, find me a better jewel than one with perfect stats


Its sitting on a mule for a reason. He woulda soc'd that shit if it was usable.

Why you getting all big with me with your bought account? Em I even addressing you? Go kick rocks kid.
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May 31 2018 11:55am
Quote (thesnipa @ May 31 2018 06:10pm)
24 maxers and 20-15s make for almost the same damage on average


Exactly the same iirc.

Quote (Haseo @ May 31 2018 06:09pm)
Try not getting stomped


Dinosaur is (thankfully) not a tele barb - its already next to impossible to kill the fat lump.

Quote (meegz1 @ May 31 2018 05:56pm)
the reason everyone uses 50 str on their zon is so they can str bug light plated boots. that means your ashwoodn eeds a -15req jewel, which is why i said it isnt optimal. if you dont care about desynching more on your frw based character, thats your choice, but i'd suggest you play something else then


If you can't get a good enough -req jewel then there is a lot to be said for natalyas boots. What you lose in the extra 15str, you gain from needing less frw scs. Nice not having to worry about stamina either.

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May 31 2018 12:01pm
Quote (QueeF @ May 31 2018 11:54am)
Its sitting on a mule for a reason. He woulda soc'd that shit if it was usable.

Why you getting all big with me with your bought account? Em I even addressing you? Go kick rocks kid.


its sitting on a mule for 10 years because no 2 other legit jewels have spawned to go with it. i'm not sure what about that perfect jewel isn't usable, other than cold res would be better. both need to be stacked on east nl thanks to me.

bought account, lol. fucking clueless :rofl:

as to the supposed unperm 5/3/20's on "half the zons", that's about the answer i expected.

Quote (bonnerf2 @ May 31 2018 11:55am)
If you can't get a good enough -req jewel then there is a lot to be said for natalyas boots. What you lose in the extra 15str, you gain from needing less frw scs. Nice not having to worry about stamina either.


im sure pp boot availability plays a role but East is legit 10 years behind Euro on nats builds.

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May 31 2018 12:03pm
Quote (QueeF @ May 31 2018 12:54pm)
Its sitting on a mule for a reason. He woulda soc'd that shit if it was usable.

Why you getting all big with me with your bought account? Em I even addressing you? Go kick rocks kid.


its sitting on a mule account cuz i know snipa, and he wants it to go in something worth putting it in, which would be a barb helm like the imported one that just sold a little while back. given that he doesnt own it, it isnt socketed. pretty simple.

also, lol. i have shit i'm still using that was bought from jsp while you were in kindergarten.
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May 31 2018 12:07pm
Quote (meegz1 @ May 31 2018 12:03pm)
its sitting on a mule account cuz i know snipa, and he wants it to go in something worth putting it in, which would be a barb helm like the imported one that just sold a little while back. given that he doesnt own it, it isnt socketed. pretty simple.

also, lol. i have shit i'm still using that was bought from jsp while you were in kindergarten.


and it was Jim's. he was even more of a perfectionist than me. he waited like 5 years for 2 more (for a barb hat good guess!!!!!!!!!) and now i'm waiting.
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