i would REALLY appreciate it if you could beat Seby. I dont see a chance vs him(pala) but i do see a chance vs you(ama) :-)

I will see if over christmas i can record (as best i can) total wins across all of the 18 tournaments for all match ups. that might be a nice bugget to have for all time.

This post was edited by ferdia on Dec 19 2017 06:34am

i didn't carrefully read all thread but i hold a feral rage druid 18 and he works really well
he doesn"t need to go to 24. i'm up for some test if yu need.

Yes great. will take you up on that. Also, Can you give me some feedback as to why we have not seen druids @ 18 tournaments ? Worst matchup etc?

regarding lvl30 rules
balancing wise there is no reason to allow wsg and general use of tele-staves
asn has not been dominant
barbs have done well without teleport - i support giving the option vs other tele chars for the sake of speeding things up
lvl1 base prayer on pala would be something that i would support for tvt (since it puts pressure on opponent teams to be offensive), but for 1v1 that might be problematic since some characters can not be offensive vs libby. usually libbies get something like + 7 to all skills? that gives 'heals 9' with base lvl1 prayer, i.e 4.5hp per second. that is equal to ~46replenish life from items.
sorc (teams) and druid could probably do with a slight nerf - for ama, amp&kb would solve that, but not so much for other chars

i'm all for short and simple rules, as long as not too much balance is thrown over board (not too much meaning that every class should get a build with a reasonable chance to win tournaments). a while back i threw together a version that is somewhat shorter than what is currently in use - happy to adjust repl to 25 generally.





speaking of simplicity, these gentlemen raised some valid points:



This post was edited by rudipk on Dec 19 2017 07:30am

imo something should be done at 18 just to make sorcs semi-viable for 1v1. that could be as simple as allowing lvl 19 for leaf, or as complex as lvl 24s with 18 invs and items. thats because i like to see at least one viable build per class.

shapers are a cool idea to test, but fissure is already a representative for druids in the current 18 meta. its just a shame sorcs cant get in too. although frank is ofc right, fball does rock for tvt

From the limited duels i had on my 24 sorcs vs james on KO pally still had the edge, all of mine have 1/2 and 1/2 invs of 5frw/mana lcs with lvl 18 req and 15/10+ life/mana scs. ES is underwhelming, although situationally helpful and easy to work in on a warmth base. teleporting becomes a usable skill at 24 though especially with warmth. svs at that level is fun from what i did Fwall vs Blizz vs Ulm (?)

With all that said, if EU decides 24 is a bridge too far for tourneys or KO stage, that would be fine too. As long as working 24s into the fold for testing in tvts is allowable. in all honesty we're trying to innovate 10 years too late, but it is quite fun to theory craft. 19 sorcs with warmth were tried on east at one point, but still lacked mana and fcr to be viable. Warmth fireballer in tvt is a monster tho, glasscannon

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 19 2017 07:56am

Out of curiosity I'm wondering what lvl 18 builds are still out there on people's accounts on Europe. Not with regards to balance, as some are not balance-able, but just curious.

Paladin:
Zeal/Charge
Smite/Charge
Hammer/Charge
Ranger (both smite and zeal variants)

Assassin:
Kicker
Tiger Strike
Blade Fury
Wof/throw
Phsin (I know of 1 pure phsin and one 1pt bfsin with max ph)

Necromancer:
Bone spear
Summoner

Amazon:
Bowa
CS-zon (I think the last one of these might have expired by now)

Sorceress:
Fireball
Ghandi (sac version is there for sure, cant think of an IB one atm)

Druid:
Fissure
Feral Rage

Barbarian:
Conc
Throw

Not aware of any Jabbers or maulers left.

This post was edited by bonnerf2 on Dec 19 2017 08:11am

just 1 character left on euro for me

nec would then take it

It would go pretty close for sure. You lost your bow, nec and fissure? Damn.

nec name was expired and taken other 2 were on w[a]r

i think we should host a 18/24 tour but only certasin 24s allowed we dont vneed lvl 24 bowa/chargers