Yeah. Imo sorcs and cs zons might n to go to 20. Tbh never had a 18 sorc so dunno how viable they are against other 18s with full res, but cs zon is just useless vs almost any competitive 18 since n to get close and takes long to kill some1 xD. It's only fun vs pubs without full resis

e/ also yeah completely forgot about shapers. Time to make them viable xD

This post was edited by SirEdwards on May 20 2010 09:20am

vouuuuuuuch

lvl 21 for shaper would be awesome i think manny diffrent ways at that lvl to build that char,

should be more able to mess with other chars,..like on 18.



This post was edited by DalaiLama on May 20 2010 09:22am

maybe they could go to lvl20 as well. fine small sustanance charms seems like they would be very imba.

if cser went past 18 then they might be op with bow switch i think.

vouch. i dont think any adjustments for a class that is remotely physical damage should be 21. ie fireclaws etc the scs would be too imbalanced ofc

CS Zon lvl 18

Using optimal gear at 18 the max damage is 1-342 x4 bolts resulting in 1368 damage before pvp penalty

After max res this figure is 342

After pvp penalty applied this figure is 57 (this is assuming that all 4 bolts land and that all are upper limit hits) The reality is much lower since min damage is 1

CS Zon lvl 19

The max damage is 1-390 x4 bolts resulting in 1560 damage before pvp penalty

After max res this figure is 390

After pvp penalty applied this figure is 65 (this is assuming that all 4 bolts land and that all are upper limit hits) The reality is much lower since min damage is 1


CS Zon lvl 20

At 20 the max damage is 1-438 x5 bolts resulting in 2190 damage before pvp penalty

After max res this figure is 547

After pvp penalty applied this figure is 91.25 (this is assuming that all 4 bolts land and that all are upper limit hits) The reality is much lower since min damage is 1

This post was edited by lld_mayhem on May 20 2010 09:33am

I haven´t heard any arguements against pushing the lvl cap´s on underpowered builds. have at it imo. I don´t think many of the legit duelers are gonna be giving to much shit about it and most will be in support of it after the feedback from this thread.

Ed

At 75% res average dam for a cs zon (assuming all bolts land)

for 18/19/20 is

29,33 and 46 respectively

vs 50% res its

58/66/92 respectively

those who have shown support of pushing the caps to at least 19:

ClanBK (lvl19)
rjg(lvl19)
elusive(lvl21)
ShamansEulogy(lvl19)
lld_mayhem(lvl19-20)
mikeyjd(lvl19-20)
DalaiLama(lvl21)
SirEdwards(lvl19-20)
bigspot_05(lvl21)
BloodLust911(lvl21)
Hong10(lvl19-20)
Ass_Hat(lvl19)
Antichrist-(lvl19)
minifoot(lvl20)
diablo2g(lvl20)
required(lvl21)
Ardlien(lvl20)


those opposed:

heprea(just no)
Linny(thinks 18 is fine)


From what I gather the lvl18 community as a whole can at least agree on lvl19. 20 is more open to discussion but I think 21 poses to many serious issues (105fcr bp/melee dmg using fine sustanance charms) to be considered at this time.Imo this is where we should start to see if it fixes the problem.

This post was edited by mikeyjd on May 20 2010 09:51am

Very nice info, thx. Seems that at lvl 20 with 1 more bolt they could get dangerous xD. Btw that max dmg is with 1 jav 10 ias gloves, and in most cases u might n death sash for more ias. Will try at lvl20 and see what happens vs minifoot charger nec and smiter xD

e/ mike I agree in 19-20

This post was edited by SirEdwards on May 20 2010 09:47am