i have some - while you're showboating and theorycrafting, i'm slowly collecting charms and rocking public games

from my perspective, ls trapper sin has very polarising matchups in d2r. even not using mind blast, zon matchups (any build) are complete stomps. though that may be due to budget items on the zon's part. necro/druid is the same story. but that said, i think the fact that im hybrid helped tremendously: kicks cant be ignored.

its very 50-50 dueling ww barbs, chargers, and hammerdins (using mind blast). not using mind blast, ww barb and hdin matchup becomes much, much harder but still winnable with good play. shadow warrior is what carries me vs chargers (they sometimes get stuck on your summon, taking 300 dmg in the process), so mind blast isnt required at all there.

the handful of sorcs ive dueled also favored sin, but the matchup isnt as one-sided when not using mind blast. the main trick to beating them is df + OW. otherwise they can just infinitely run away from you and try to dmg you from 2 screens away. i lost a bunch of times vs trix's fber, but after you pickup what to do and not do, the matchup becomes obsolete. i played him on ghost sin and got annihilated in the first 5 duels, but then picked up some of my mistakes, and now win 9 out of 10 duels. dtalon dmg is rly high.

i tried both a hybrid trapper and a ghostsin. trapper is by far the better character, but people show heavy animosity toward kickers in d2r (even if they dont use traps+mb to stun), im guessing because the kicks now always land. something i noticed on ghostin, is how fucking strong wof+mb is in d2r. you truely are able to lock people in place forever. i dont even want to start to imagine what a fire trapper can do (i havent seen one on d2r yet). from my personnal opinion (anybody feel free to offer a different view): i didnt see any problem with stun locks while using lightning sentry. you can chase better using ls-mb-df, but thats mostly due to run desync behind gone, not because you lock people. its harder to escape from a ls trapper doing ls-mb-ls-mb, but that means we have to itemize differently: we need to reach that 86fhr as much as possible, regardless of your character.

from ls trapper's perspective: i think mind blast should be banned. ls trappers were already super high tier in legacy, and that was with wsg. i think itd be unfair to have them be even better than they already were.

from ghost/kicker/fire trapper's perspective: i think wof+mb together should not be used. one or the other, but never both.

This post was edited by WereWolf12345 on Nov 15 2021 06:24am

ty for input, I think you or I mentioned WOF is already banned at HLD. Its probably more in line to Ban that at LLD but well then the question is to ban MB or not. its quite tricky.
How do kicks do vs classes a trapper would in the past have difficulty vs? or well, amazon was the problem in the past but tele and/or df has resolved that noting larger screen and no more wsg.
hmhm alot to mull over.

Of course I am only reading this now because MY ACCOUNT WAS SUSPENDED for advertising : https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=89679695&f=143

you have been successful in trolling me this time.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 15 2021 06:40am

i did not understand this sentence. what do you mean?

I/We already answered the question.

i.e. historically a bowa was the only real threat to a trapper. With a wider screen in D2r compared to D2 and with no WSG, the amazon has a much harder time escaping the trapper now. With DF now autohitting, and Kicks now also auto hitting and the way fhr now acts this match is probably now (heavily?) in favour of the trapper, even without mindblast. my view is that trapper is now > Bowa. Noting that bowa needs a sick bow and gear, I dont envisage any trapper losing to a bowa as things stand (Too bad). Bowa will always have a home in team duels. silver linings ok silver linings *runs away crying in denial*

if you get the chance can you show some video's assassin vs all?

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 15 2021 08:13am

lmao I got hit with the same suspension

Yea i saw that happened to you as well. the lesson is, dont be helpful. i am going to rant now:

I asked for D2r subforums twice in the site suggestions, 1st topic was instantly shut, 2nd one lasted 2 weeks?
The site compromised, they added a D2 vs D2r Filter to: Trophy Room; Legit Dueling and Low Level Trading.
By that time it was already too late and most people were either trading LLD stuff in the main trading forum, or on other sites.
I asked for the same Filter to be applied to this forum and was told no.
As it stands, there is no forum for D2r on this website for LLD players of D2r to call home. Therefore its natural that players have migrated elsewhere to trade (this is not advertising, i am merely highlighting cause and effect ok)
Therefore the natural conclusion : I say we take over Legit Dueling. At least they have a Filter for D2r. This is a serious suggestion, noting we might be able to get an even larger community from players not familiar with LLD. exposure is everything.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 15 2021 08:46am

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=89806062&f=34 shows how much the mods care about doing their jobs, pro-actively or re-actively

Don't see them re-adding an LLD trade section for D2R or bothering to clean up all the trade and pricecheck threads here any time soon

This post was edited by whopperjr on Nov 15 2021 08:46am

ive been holding off on assassin videos because most of them are very one-sided due to sin being heavily favored; I didnt want people to think I was uploading to humiliate them, so i held off.
but ill keep future footage and upload so that we can get more information. so far im much more interest in people dueling against trappers than people dueling as trapper.

though yes i do agree with you, the zon matchup is much easier. i only have to do ls-mb-df and repeat the entire duel. or simply doing ls-ls-df repeat if i dont use mb. but i dont think no mb would work well vs a geared bowzon.
time will tell. but for now, its much easier to build an okay trapper than it is to build an okay bowzon.

This post was edited by WereWolf12345 on Nov 15 2021 09:06am

Do u have WOF either skilled or from Claw, and what is it doing. if you dont have it can you get one from a temp claw and see what it does for certain class matches in conbination with mindblast ? whats ur mana anyway ?

Does anyone have a Kicker ? any observations ?

Looking at the HLD rule discussions and applying the logic to LLD - At the barest minimum it looks like max 1 hard point mindblast, max 1 hard point WOF (OR Mindblast may not be used in conjunction with WOF).
Im on the fence re: all the unblock-able Kick skills. I feel this opens possibilities which there is no harm in experimenting with for a new assassin build.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 15 2021 09:25am