Trappers are basically useless then. It would lose to a rabies Druid 😂

lmao, hows ur day man?



nah you understand game mechanics very well and can perform the difficult to do mechanics very well aswell man, you do play cheese chars tho i cant deny that, but i dont allow personal bias about what char someone chooses to use, to cloud my judgment on how good they are, and if you are gonna go out making lists of who is good, then you shouldn't either.

you are definitely good enough at this game where it should be common knowledge to you at this point, that you can tell who is good from watching a team duel. Sure there are some teams where its just a wash from bad matchup and very few mechanics need to be performed in said situation, and then i can agree its hard to tell, but that has happened very very sparringly, usually the team matchups we have going require hella mechanics to be performed at a much faster pace than 1v1.

You honestly could argue that its easier to tell who is good from teams than 1v1 because some 1v1 matchups are just stupid and dont require any mechanical skill. i,e, bvb. I dont understand tho, how you could say with a straight face that you cant tell who is good from watching teams.. i mean shit it should be amplified to the point where its easier to tell.

ls trapper without mind blast is among top5 strongest build in d2r.

Sometimes it’s harder to tell, for example when rpg’s bowa gets carried by 2x auras it may make it looks like he actually can get kills. I think you can tell who is good either way though, not one more than the other. Who even cares though it’s pretty simple to just say everyone on d2r is bad

lmao, there are some good players on d2r man, the guys who came over from pd2 especially impressed me.

i get what ur saying and i agree, it should be easy to tell who is good and who isn't just by paying attention, whether its 1v1 or tvt.

i could agree with that statement way before i would agree that there are "too many variables" to tell who is good from tvt, lol. that was the line he posted that got me.

Lol how are they top 5? I assume you mean 1v1 situation?
They already lose to bowa, nec, charger, Libby, zeal

Take mindblast away they lose to shapeshifter, cs zon everything else 🤷‍♂️

some people are just better in teams than 1v1 tho. even before i soft quit i wouldnt bother to play 1v1 because i just find it boring win lose or draw. every tvt tho is fun regardless of the teams, 2s 3s, 4s, w/e.

like AJ was a wet noodle in teams, and would beat most people 1v1. so i get what he means. sure mechanics do translate, and its easy to say good in teams likely means good potential in 1v1, but its not an exact science.

thats not getting into chars that are good in tvt but bad in 1v1 which i think is the variables he's talking about.



3xx15s still expensive, the mage classes will rule for a bit then later on be underpowered as shit.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Feb 28 2022 10:32am

i get what he was trying to say aswell, it's just if you are coming from a factual standpoint, mechanics translate just like you said.

if you are going to make a list like he did you should be going off of mechanical skill.

that or he could specify that it's like a tier list of people who have entered 1v1 tourneys, and not a list of everyone he's seen play.

he has definitely played enough teams where he should be able to tell that jay and bt are good players, and are definitely among the top in the classes they play, on d2r.

yes, 1v1. its what the results point toward.
they break even at worse against chargers & charger variants like libbys. spraynard has an excellent zeal-charge paly and its a very 50-50 matchup.
necros seem to lose most of the time, eventhough the duels feels very 50-50.

and what you mentioned are all the potentially bad MU, every other builds a trapper will completely rek.

its probably tied to the fact that the classes you mentioned are more gear intensive. a single 3max 15life sc is 200-800 fg.
people also dont have amazing rare weapons. all that, meanwhile a trapper does just fine on a +4 ls claw and 2/30/20 circ.

This post was edited by WereWolf12345 on Feb 28 2022 10:43am

he's honestly right man, Trapper replaced hdin as S tier in d2r, with synch being gone, MA skills being unblockable, and wsg being gone.

psychic hammer + df unblockable + unblockable kick + high trap dmg owns.

ur not thinking in terms of synch being gone, all of the pally chars u listed have a much harder time vs trapper without synch.