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Quote (ferdia @ Apr 14 2021 01:38pm)
on the basis that belts / boots are armors and its 29/29 for crafting belts, the same probably hold true for boots, so i'll do boots @ 29 tonight.
or well, thats for 24 fhr, for 10 fhr it suggests that the level should be lower when either buying or crafting. hm hmm help!

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Yeah. I could do some math to optimize your chances, but im super tired right now. ^thesnipa can you chine in?

But reducing your char level will minimize the total available mods that can roll so you should see more pairs with fhr.


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Apr 14 2021 08:47am
my thoughts:

ilvls are capped at norm vendors:

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Act 1 : 12
Act 2 : 20
Act 3 : 28
Act 4 : 36
Act 5 : 45


you want ilvl 18 for 30res

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At ilvls 1-30, there's a 40% chance of 1 affix and a 20% chance each of 2, 3 or 4 affixes.


so 20% chance for 2 mods

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new ilvl of craft = int(.5 * clvl) + int(.5 * old ilvl of base item)


18 = i(.5 * X) + i(.5 x 12)

18 = i(.5 * X) +6

12 = .5 * X

24 = x


so easiest way to craft ilvl 18 boots, which have a 20% chance at having 2 affixes, = lvl 24 char buying boots at charsi/gheed

i prefer to exploit norm ilvl vendor cap compared to finding a gambler/crafter lvl to hit target ilvl. at least for non-belts.

but if you're open to MLD boots the higher ilvl option may be better. ilvl 31 seems like the best option for that juicy 60% 2 mods.

31 = i(.5 * X) + i(.5 x 12)

31 = i(.5 * X) +6

25 = i(.5 * X)

50 = clvl

so yeah, 24 for mod restriction, 50 for affix restriction and MLD options.

godspeed friend.
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Apr 14 2021 08:48am
so your saying, buy at lvl 24 from chari/gheed and then craft at lvl 49 (or 50). but i can also craft at lvl 24 if i dont care about res and just want 10fhr, right?

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Quote (ferdia @ Apr 14 2021 09:48am)
so your saying, buy at lvl 24 from chari/gheed and then craft at lvl 49 (or 50). but i can also craft at lvl 24 if i dont care about res and just want 10fhr, right?


no.

whether u buy at lvl 12 or lvl 99 a boots from charsi/gheed in A1 norm will be iLvl 12. it's capped in norm.

crafting on lvl 24 = res is highest iLvl mod u can receive (18). then its 40%chance for 1 mod (poop), 20% for 2 mods (mmmmm) 20% ea. for 3/4 mods (poop)

-so you wont spawn high ilvl mods, 19+ that even with 2 mods, push it over 30. but u have only 20% chance for 2 mods.

crafting on lvl 50 = a whopping 60% chance for 2 mods (1 mod impossible at ilvl31+)

-ilvl capped at 31 on the new craft, but ilvl19+ mods messing with you, but 40% chance to get 3 or 4 mods, poop.


so honestly char lvl 50 sounds best all day.

clvl 50 = ilvl 31

clvl 24 = ilvl 18

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 14 2021 08:58am
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so charsi and gheed at 50 and craft at 50 ? is there no way to increase my odds of getting 10fhr on the boots ? i got 1 pair in 135 rolls...that would take over 1000 rolls to get 10/20/5/10 I feel
help

remember i dont need 6 mods i just want 10fhr...

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so charsi and gheed at 50 and craft at 50 ? is there no way to increase my odds of getting 10fhr on the boots ? i got 1 pair in 135 rolls...that would take over 1000 rolls to get 10/20/5/10 I feel


it's a tug of war.

to increase change to get 10 fhr, you craft at clvl 24, for ilvl 18, GREATLY reducing the affix pool, and therefor increasing the chance to hit 10fhr. BUT you chance to get a 2 affix craft goes from 60% down to 20%. so MAYBE 1.25x chance to get 10 fhr, but 33% chance to get 2 mods.

thus, larger affix pool, as Kuki states, is the preferred way.

roughly this, although % chance here is for belts with an entirely different affix pool, so not perfect math:

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So we get0,0736% chance to roll 24fhr and 3-5rl with alvl 18 and ilvl 21. With the same calculations for ilvl 31 and alvl 28 it's 0.118% chance.
Our chances are 60% better in second case!
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Apr 14 2021 09:09am
i was losing the will to live rolling yesterday @50. I will try 24 and if i get more then 1 belt in 135 attempts I am going to be content.
thx again ofc ofc

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remember i dont need 6 mods i just want 10fhr...


for just 10 fhr, and no res or other mods at all, go with a lower char lvl.

ilvl for fhr boots is 5 afaik (not on arreat)

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new ilvl of craft = int(.5 * clvl) + int(.5 * old ilvl of base item)


5 = i(.5 * X) + (.5 * 12)

(returns neg number, aka too low of an ilvl to shoot for)

ilvl 7 = i(.5 * X) + (.5 * 12)

7 = .5X + 6

1 = .5X

clvl = 2

BUT, clvl 2 cant buy ilvl 12 boots

so:

x = (.5 x 12) + (.5 x 12)

x = 6 + 6

ilvl 12 = clvl 12 = vendor a1 boots = 40% chance of 1 mod = highly restricted to the 10 fhr pool

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 14 2021 09:11am
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