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Oct 31 2015 08:21am
Quote (meegz1 @ Oct 31 2015 06:39am)
Oh ffs. Now I know. Go stir shit with someone else. Jerk.


Am I missing something? He's using elusive's avatar, but elusive was as bad at mld then as he is at lld now so it would be silly for him to be trash talking on yet another account.

Quote (IAmAsylum @ Oct 31 2015 12:44am)
no


I was thinking it was mambo45's zon that used all 5frw legits

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Am I missing something? He's using elusive's avatar, but elusive was as bad at mld then as he is at lld now so it would be silly for him to be trash talking on yet another account.



I was thinking it was mambo45's zon that used all 5frw legits


I can't see sig/ava, and haven't been able to for years. It isn't elusive. He has been off and on at euro for many years, and if you can't pick who it is from the acct name he gave when we got him to play on east then its no big deal. It was before your time.

/e: and I don't remember anyone at mld on east that used a bunch of 5frw legit scs, few people would have 2 or 3 here and there, but it was so fucking dead on east that i dont remember anyone ever going out of their way to make a big collection of them. we'd rather use them on our 30s

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Oct 31 2015 09:11am
@miktex I try to answer, hope it makes some sense to you :)

This is coming from an euro mlder (quess that is the realm mld has been most active anyways)

On euro mana pots aren't used. So swapping skill gcs for life/mana scs is quite common. Usually it is about how to find a good balance between dmg and life/mana. Because mana is so important even some amazons might use some life/mana (instead of dmg/life) to compensate low mana pool for certain match ups. Char and build type, match up and play style all matter. It is quite common that a sorc for example has multiple set ups and adjusts also life/mana scs accordingly for certain match ups. The sorc you linked there is a tr post with stat screen with highest life/dmg I assume. Im not an expert of 49 vita soso but Im sure it has some other set ups with more mana as well. And it is obviously a vita sorc that has its pros and cons.

One thing to consider tho is that for certain match ups you want to maximize you dmg output because of the given (euro) rules. Good example is when you are up against a character that is allowed to wear tg. A trap assa with 5 or 6k trap dmg is quite weak compared vs a 8 or 9k trap dmg when opponent is wearing tg.

I disagree with worrywart about mld duels being fast. Obviously it is heavily match up dependent, but on euro mld tours for example when ppl are actually trying :D duels tend to be quite long. 10 minutes + duels are not that rare. Sure some short duels as well.
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Oct 31 2015 09:30am
Quote (Lilithe @ Oct 31 2015 11:11am)
@miktex I try to answer, hope it makes some sense to you :)

This is coming from an euro mlder (quess that is the realm mld has been most active anyways)

On euro mana pots aren't used. So swapping skill gcs for life/mana scs is quite common. Usually it is about how to find a good balance between dmg and life/mana. Because mana is so important even some amazons might use some life/mana (instead of dmg/life) to compensate low mana pool for certain match ups. Char and build type, match up and play style all matter. It is quite common that a sorc for example has multiple set ups and adjusts also life/mana scs accordingly for certain match ups. The sorc you linked there is a tr post with stat screen with highest life/dmg I assume. Im not an expert of 49 vita soso but Im sure it has some other set ups with more mana as well. And it is obviously a vita sorc that has its pros and cons.

One thing to consider tho is that for certain match ups you want to maximize you dmg output because of the given (euro) rules. Good example is when you are up against a character that is allowed to wear tg. A trap assa with 5 or 6k trap dmg is quite weak compared vs a 8 or 9k trap dmg when opponent is wearing tg.

I disagree with worrywart about mld duels being fast. Obviously it is heavily match up dependent, but on euro mld tours for example when ppl are actually trying :D duels tend to be quite long. 10 minutes + duels are not that rare. Sure some short duels as well.


East must not have had any tryhards then. Even zvz and trap vs trap over here only took a minute or two.

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I can't see sig/ava, and haven't been able to for years. It isn't elusive. He has been off and on at euro for many years, and if you can't pick who it is from the acct name he gave when we got him to play on east then its no big deal. It was before your time.

/e: and I don't remember anyone at mld on east that used a bunch of 5frw legit scs, few people would have 2 or 3 here and there, but it was so fucking dead on east that i dont remember anyone ever going out of their way to make a big collection of them. we'd rather use them on our 30s


Mambo45 had a set of like 20, but I can't remember whether he used it on a 30 or 49
It's been quite a few years
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Mambo45 had a set of like 20, but I can't remember whether he used it on a 30 or 49
It's been quite a few years


I vaguely remember the name. Was he one of the guys like tric and oli who really got started lld'ing for more zvz? Cuz that is what comes to mind
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Oct 31 2015 09:43am
andy has alot of 5 frw's legit

both of us
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Quote (meegz1 @ Oct 31 2015 11:36am)
I vaguely remember the name. Was he one of the guys like tric and oli who really got started lld'ing for more zvz? Cuz that is what comes to mind


he used to do hld zvz too so yeah probably
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Oct 31 2015 08:46pm
Quote (meegz1 @ Oct 28 2015 03:16am)
even if you swap the gcs out, you're not making a siginificant change. you end up trading 1 extra hit on yourself being able to survive for 1-2 extra hits to kill your opponent. and light sorcs are even worse about shit like that because of the huge damage range.

Quote (Slam_dunk @ Oct 28 2015 01:39am)
the good players don't get much hit especially on sorc

mana pots aren't used in gm

bad players like avenged123 might stick to lld hdin cause they won't get what's going on in a mld game

Quote (badguts @ Oct 28 2015 12:11am)
I never use pots on my 49 ww barb and i do just fine. I use rings/ammy with big mana on them though


ty for good answers

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