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#31
Nov 7 2013 07:24am
Quote (i_ecca @ Nov 7 2013 02:20pm)
well i know a barb can call a judge in this duel. but wouldnt it be better to try to make the rules more fair instead?
i got a ama and a sorc. so in the end, i can enter tours either way! but should we limit ourself to that?
saying, "we tested that before". saying, "it will not work that way". and so on. is that the solution, really?


i dont understand where your going with this. tele charges dont make the duel more fair. it will just make sorcs play even more defensive. every class has a anti class and for barbs that happends to be sorcs.
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#32
Nov 7 2013 07:25am
Quote (Mathijs @ 7 Nov 2013 14:40)
Since those duels are popular at the moment. Some good improvements on rules + some tours should be lounged before people go back to HLD.
I don't got any experience on MLD except this 1v1 tour from Ferdia, but I played EP for a few years.
I would suggest those improvements based on that, and that only sorcs and amas join the 1v1 tour :

To improve SVS (non ES will make that sorcs don't need to wait for mana = faster duels)
Sorc can use 85 fire resist if no ES
Sorc can use 80 (against pala/light sorc if no ES)

To improve ama vs fb (I see no good FB win vs good ama)
Ama can have 80fire res

To improve Nec vs blizz
necro can have more cold resist
maybe also mana pots so he can spam more BS

100 frw limit on ranged chars (ama necro pala sorc)
120 frw on rush char Assa
unlimited frw on rush chars w/o range: barb druid

Too improve assa vs ama
1v1 assa vs ama is played in bridge map
Assa can buy mana pots in 1v1 vs ama (always low mana in middle of a rush vs ama and since you have no bo you probably only get 1 chance to do a proper rush)
+ frw edit


Ferdia:
Harabec was very clear on the sorc rules, I accomdated where I could, I would suggest you field these limits with him (I previously had what you are suggesting here).
In ama Vs FB, good Fb'ers win. the problem is that there are not many very good fb'ers. Harabec can kill amazons when he plays FB vs Ama.
I agree with Nec being allowed more Res, i will change that, next tournament. I dont know what you mean re: Nova.
Assassin and Barb both have skill FRW which is not part of the FRW limits. Druid I mentioned can have 150 FRW and I will be revisiting Dudu vs Sorc matchup with a view to allowing harmony in addition to the existing limits.
I would have no problem increasing the FRW limit to the assassin, but I honestly do not believe it will change ama vs assa matchup.


hara cant kill me on ama :D well yeah ur suggestions make sense. and should at least be tested. next tour should be a tour with many tests! (Seriously).
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#33
Nov 7 2013 07:27am
Quote (Sliky @ 7 Nov 2013 15:24)
i dont understand where your going with this. tele charges dont make the duel more fair. it will just make sorcs play even more defensive. every class has a anti class and for barbs that happends to be sorcs.


let it play more defensive. wont hit the barb then. and seems like every1 is underating the power of tele on a barb.
ofc u cant klick and hold tele. ops charges ran out! you got to play with care and focuse alot. so will the sorc.

and where i am goin with that in some sense. is that to many ppl has thier minds set on NOT making changes.
but lets face it, its ppl who still play d2 :D. why would they wont changes anyways haha just kiddin :D.
well i think you understand where i am goin with that anyways.

This post was edited by i_ecca on Nov 7 2013 07:29am
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#34
Nov 7 2013 07:39am
hey , the eop wouldnt be allowed imo, it would ruin the mld as i understand it, coz the builds would be made mostly around the eop, counting its str, fhr, skills and cres....

i would suggest strict and short rules around telecharges....

something like :

telecharges would be allowed to use only at dueling versus tele chars ( sorc ), no use for telecharges vs the another char using telecharges
telecharges cannot be used for chain/name lock, only for rescuing in the stuck of attacks ( invis blizzard field, cornered by fireballs etc...
telecharges on item can be used only once per ft5/ft3/ft7 or whatever, they cannot be repaired during the rounds

or whatsoever...

all can cry that they has the antichar ( nec vs blizz for example etc )
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#35
Nov 7 2013 07:49am
Wait so y'all are creating rules so more people will join the lld scene? Sounds like an excellent exercise in futility.

The rule-related reason people quit is because of too many rules. At some point you'll have to duel someone geared better than you, someone with a character type advantage or someone with better skill. If everyone could just acknowledge this without being butthurt there would be no need or room for rules. Rules are clearly there to accommodate the bitchers, whiners and cheaters who usually don't follow the rules anyway. It's always people trying to limit other peoples builds when in reality if you do some desperate shit like run to Tahoe highlands with a rep charger we all know who is better. Doesn't need a rule to prove it to a sensible person.
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#36
Nov 7 2013 08:05am
Quote (ZeusThreeHund @ Nov 7 2013 02:49pm)
Wait so y'all are creating rules so more people will join the lld scene? Sounds like an excellent exercise in futility.

The rule-related reason people quit is because of too many rules. At some point you'll have to duel someone geared better than you, someone with a character type advantage or someone with better skill. If everyone could just acknowledge this without being butthurt there would be no need or room for rules. Rules are clearly there to accommodate the bitchers, whiners and cheaters who usually don't follow the rules anyway.  It's always people trying to limit other peoples builds when in reality if you do some desperate shit like run to Tahoe highlands with a rep charger we all know who is better. Doesn't need a rule to prove it to a sensible person.


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#37
Nov 7 2013 08:08am
The idea of additional rules is to accomadate fringe characters (such as all Assassins, all Druids, all nec's, Smiters, Java's, Plague (and to a lesser extent, barbs) etc.
As i have said with harabec previously (and he is now in agreement) we want to keep the rules as short and sweet as possible, but for each rule we remove, it reduces the % of classes with a chance of competing for honours. its difficult to find a happy medium, and we won't ever get it right because some matchup just cant be balanced.

Barbs feature heavily in TvT so we will always see barbs, just bear that in mind.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 7 2013 08:10am
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#38
Nov 7 2013 08:09am
rules are fine as thay are. maybe abit more frw but no big deal.

if you dont like the rules dont play barb. i've played barb since like forever and the rules are better then ever at this point
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#39
Nov 7 2013 08:26am
Just make DuDu a viable character pls

ty regars
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#40
Nov 7 2013 08:30am
Quote (Sliky @ Nov 7 2013 02:09pm)
rules are fine as thay are. maybe abit more frw but no big deal.

if you dont like the rules dont play barb. i've played barb since like forever and the rules are better then ever at this point


If we would say so about all chars we would only see esfb's and bowas in tours.

Indeed, want to play DuDu

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