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Sep 1 2013 12:01pm
Quote (Tw3ety @ Sep 1 2013 05:58pm)
i only did that vs u because i think ur full ruleset is complete shit. i dont know why Ferdi use it in his tours

I agree










ferdia WHY? I rather see fastera helping you out!!!! :cry:
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Sep 1 2013 12:11pm
agree with addesmile's post on page one (as well). also agree with what chum has said and carlo. reminder: they allow medi skilled on other realms. they frown upon lz8 play. honour system hey.
dueling vs individuals who lz8 is why you can call a referee, building rules around people wont get you very far. they are going to find some way to dick around regardless of the rules.
re: above post adde, its a rule discussion topic, adde, not a blame game topic. julian bear this in mind.

in terms of bow vs barb, a barb has a realistic chance of winning more duels vs an amazon if the amazon is not using jav slot. i had great difficulty for a long time in accepting what i see as a stupid rule, but it does balance the match up, somewhat. at all skill "brackets" an ama will still invariably win a ft5 vs a barb. a better barb player should have a chance of killing some ama players.

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Sep 1 2013 12:22pm
Quote (harabec @ Sep 1 2013 09:55am)
and that's where the problem is.. maybe YOU use medi for less than 20sec.
did you ever duel tw3ety? he sits somewhere off map for 5min, then does 1 attack and repeats.

same on sorc. i dueled him necro vs fb in the lvl 30 tour and 1 round took 30min because he was somewhere offmap, replenishing life.

i cant controll people's playstyle, but if someone plays like that, the rules must punish them.
repl is the instrument to force certain chars (sorc and pala most of all) to play offensively.

regarding your calculations: 5.5 life per second is equal to 56 repl from items, so if you use 5repl from eq, your opponent needs 62repl to punish def play.

i never lost a duel vs a paladin using hammer only with amazon. not sure what more clue i need to tell you that you can't win with that tactic.


I remember sometime ago, there use to be a rule, the player that leaves the minimap must return within 10 seconds, this use to stop that def replen way.
Michel doesn't like pala in gerneral nevermind medi, he can't stomp and win vs libby

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Sep 1 2013 12:22pm
Quote (ferdia @ 1 Sep 2013 20:11)
agree with addesmile's post on page one (as well).
also agree with what chum has said.
dueling vs individuals who lz8 is why you can call a referee, building rules around people wont get you very far.
re: above post adde, its a rule discussion topic, adde, not a blame game topic.

in terms of bow vs barb, a barb has a realistic chance of winning more duels vs an amazon if the amazon is not using jav slot. i had great difficulty for a long time in accepting what i see as a stupid rule, but it does balance the match up, somewhat.


rules that can be abused are bad rules, like when there's a loophole in law.
no prayer / 0 repl on sorc will enforce death of players like twety over time, no ref needed.

jeebus, paul, geo or kasper all realized in less than 1 week that pala with prayer is flawed.
michel realizes it - skill wise he is the only one of these trolls that can keep up.
dueling leagues of 1.09/1.10 realized it 10 years ago
i can't force you to realize it - but perhaps you shouldn't talk about what kind of rules get you far.. nothing on jsp will come close to how far those leagues got in their prime.
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Sep 1 2013 12:25pm
if quoting me, please use correct post, ty.

There is always a way to abuse rules. michel has not posted in this topic btw. i dont understand your last sentance, reword it.
also those players you mentioned, still killed libby's pretty fast. well, very fast actually. we all all grown ups, honour is not extinct and lz8 players will still lose either via referee or time.

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Sep 1 2013 12:34pm
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I remember sometime ago, there use to be a rule, the player that leaves the minimap must return within 10 seconds, this use to stop that def replen way.
Michel doesn't like pala in gerneral nevermind medi, he can't stomp and win vs libby


well for example sorcs sometimes need to go regen their mana vs ama - as long as its not 2minutes every time, i don't care if they have 0 repl.
same with pala. if he needs mana, let him get it, but he shouldn't get 6life/second as well.
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Sep 1 2013 12:40pm
Quote (ferdia @ 1 Sep 2013 20:25)
if quoting me, please use correct post, ty.

There is always a way to abuse rules. michel has not posted in this topic btw. i dont understand your last sentance, reword it.
also those players you mentioned, still killed libby's pretty fast. well, very fast actually. we all all grown ups, honour is not extinct and lz8 players will still lose either via referee or time.


post 9 is michel's unless someone hijacked his acc
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Sep 1 2013 12:44pm
yes thats errr, simon, my new friend, using michel's a/c. honest.

the problem with the rules is that they have potentially reached (or gone beyond) a level of tolerance, so as to make the dueling bracket too serious. thats why i want no one touching the 30 rules. 1v1 at 30/49 is meant to be fun, relaxed and enjoyable. a few simple rules, no bible, and poor bahaviour is caught by a mutually accepted observer (but almost never required, except for repeat offenders, and im not looking at anyone here (you know who you are)).

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Sep 1 2013 12:50pm
Quote (ferdia @ Sep 1 2013 06:11pm)
agree with addesmile's post on page one (as well). also agree with what chum has said and carlo.
dueling vs individuals who lz8 is why you can call a referee, building rules around people wont get you very far. they are going to find some way to dick around regardless of the rules.
re: above post adde, its a rule discussion topic, adde, not a blame game topic. julian bear this in mind.

in terms of bow vs barb, a barb has a realistic chance of winning more duels vs an amazon if the amazon is not using jav slot. i had great difficulty for a long time in accepting what i see as a stupid rule, but it does balance the match up, somewhat. at all skill "brackets" an ama will still invariably win a ft5 vs a barb. a better barb player should have a chance of killing some ama players.


Then you can take away sw and weapon block on assa vs sorc because that match up are MUCH MUCH more imbalanced. I think it's also important make tournament "attractive" for other players and having thousand of rules doesn't help :) . mld it's dying out and very fast, invite noobs from ladder and other places and have some fun and eventually they will be competitive players.

If it's all about the skill you can play hld private servers cuz mld only give your "epenis" wrong measurement :D

if you want to have everything balanced I could send you everything that need a change but that wasn't my point with my first post.

This post was edited by addesmile on Sep 1 2013 12:50pm
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Sep 1 2013 12:55pm
LLD rules :

a. you can only use 1 char in the tournament. (lvl29 chars are accepted too)
b. Scammer Tagged users are banned.
c. you cannot remake your char during the tour or use a mule account for your char.
d. lag is not a valid excuse for restarting the duel, unless both parties agree.
e. duels are ft5 in blood moor. if you cross a bridge, leave blood moor or hide in a house, you autolose.
f. There will be one big group, u will have to duel everyone. it will lead to either a last 16 or last 8 KO phase.

5-0 10 points
5-1 9 points
5-2 8 points
5-3 7 points
5-4 6 points
4-5 4 points
3-5 3 points
2-5 2 points
1-5 1 point
0-5 0 points

you can ask me to referee your duel if u think your opponent does not respect the rules. Alternatively another mutually agreed referee may be called. (defwhoring, abuse mana/life rep, pnb & fw sorc stick/leech at walls map to avoid certains attacks like hammers..etc)

General rules:
01. no hacks, hybrids, intentional bug abuse, dupes, rage, flame, spam or nk
02. no usage of pots, slowing items, knockback items, tab wands, tele staffs (except barbs/ele druids), hybrid runewords, shrines or mercs.
03. No muling, Respec, Unperm Gear, and you must show equip & Invent on request - going back to stash is forbidden
04. no defwhoring (repl life and/or regen mana abuse).
05. no more than 75 max res or 20 life replenish (10 for es sorcs)
06. Map must be cleared before duel, both players must type go before duel
07. Cube in invent is allowed
08. When both parties die, the party that died first lost
09. No leaving the blood moor during the duel (Tele staff users or sorcs that accidentally teleport to town may re-enter without being attacked)
10. Max 120 Faster Run/Walk from Items + Charms except (java/melee druid)
11. max 75% psn lenght reduction
12. Poisen Length Reduction gear may not be used unless it is part of your normal setup - so no swapping items to get PLR.
13. Breaking multiple rules or being overly disruptive constitutes a disqualification and possibly a ban from future tournaments.

Char specific rules:

Necro:
@ max 4 walls per screen and you cannot wall yourself in (f.e: 3 walls triangle or map wall+2walls)
@ clay golem, decrepify, iron maiden and bone prison are banned. (clay golem allowed vs casters)
@ recasting bone armor is not allowed.

Paladin:
@ no hard points in any def auras (get vigor or medi from item if needed).
@ holy freeze aura is banned.
@ libby, hammer and v/t may not use any dr vs melee.
@ chargers may not use any dr vs melee except 15dr vs ww barbs only.

Ama:
@ slower missiles is banned (peace rw can be used against non-missiles user chars)
@ java may use 150frw.
@ bowa may not use more than 100frw vs pure plague ama.

Sorc:
@ es sorcs may not use insight, non es sorcs may use insight.
@ no more than 10 replenish life for es sorcs

Druid:
@ tele staffs are allowed.
@ recasting cycloon armor is banned.
@ ele druids must stay on opponent map when they recast wolves/bear/oak/hurricane.
@ melee druids may use 150frw (thats include feral rage if you use it).

Barb:
@ tele staffs are allowed vs sorcs.
@ namelock ww is banned.


perfect rules nn to change this it's good :)
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