But our particular build, if thats what we are basing this argument around, has a good chance of 1 hitting a 1200 life char as well. In fact, it takes 7200 pvp damage (not factoring dr) to 1 hit KO a 1200 life char. That gives my charger more than 50% chance to 1 hit KO a 1200 life opponent.

A max damage charger doing 2k-10k has about 35% chance to 1 hit KO an opponent before factoring chance to crit. Im not sure how the math would go in order to find out the precise chance this charger has to 1 hit KO given say 40% crit rate from insight. Its not simply additive, thats for sure. Id be surprised if the final chance to 1 hit KO would be well over 50% anyway.

Anyway, as hong mentioned average damage "wins" out in the long run, however thats a very important qualifier.

This post was edited by Ass_Hat on Apr 3 2010 06:21pm

A small note to add:

Higher average ≠ Consistancy

It doesnt at all, of course.

If you were doing a ft 1000 vs. one particular opponent, id take higher average damage in a heart beat.

Min dmg:


Max dmg:




let's take a zon with 650 life. Normally zons have no dr, and 650 isn't too shabby life for a glass cannon, can get higher if you are gozu andyzon or something. anyway

650 life with 1/6 pvp penalty needs 3900 screen damage to 1 hit kill.

peace is used, 25% crit.

Min dmg:
3349-4560 with shield out (will be used vs zons)
4560-3349=1211 dmg range
4560-3900=660/1211*100=54.5% chance to 1 hit ko the zon without crit
11.375% chance that if damage is less than needed to 1 hit ko, and crit procs, then it will 1 hit ko anyway. That is 65.875% chance to 1 hit ko

Max dmg charger:
1189-5460 with shield out
5460-1189=4271 dmg range
5460-3900=1560/4271*100=36.53% chance to 1 hit ko the zon without crit
1950/4271*100=45.65%*25%CB=11.41%. 35.53+11.41=46.94% chance to 1 hit ko

my stats are without any chance to crit, since its using a 3Os life armor and a bhammer. However, using honor my damage its 2850-4950, with 25% chance to crit.

also peace + honor > 25% chance to crit

I'm not sure exactly how ds + crit is calculated, I don't think it's just added together. However, fuzziwuzzi would need 39.36% chance to do double damage in order to match your chance to 1 hit ko without crit (54.5%)

2850-4950
2100 dmg spread
4950-3900=1050
1050/2100=50% to kill without crit being needed
2850 with crit = 1 hit ko, so 100% chance when crit occurs
.5*.25=12.5%, 50% + 12.5% = 62.5% chance to 1 hit ko the zon using honor


and he would need 56.89% chance to crit in order to keep up with your chances using honor.

This post was edited by Cadagan on Apr 3 2010 07:24pm

i think its fair to assume that both chargers have a similar chance to 1 hit KO the zon. However the min charger has 100% chance to kill within 2 hits.

Actually you still have higher % on the min dmg charger to 1 hit ko, while the max dmg charger actually has (a very very small) chance to 4 hit ko the zon, and definitely doesn't have 100% chance for 2 hit.


There's even a chance (way way way way low, but still a chance) to take 16 hits on the max dmg charger to kill a 2500 life barb using 15% dr string. Min dmg charger (not honor) will take 4-6 hits on the same barb, every time.

This post was edited by Cadagan on Apr 3 2010 07:27pm

i like min dmg

i hate the low min dmg from my 30 zon

1,3k max but 1xx min lol thats horrible

it should also be noted that weaj was involved in building bonesnap so it is automatically godly