470% ed on ws setup and 423% is much more then i thought., i was assuming 370% (i think i forgot strength)

342 and 471 looks correct to me sir
just remember to think in avgs on this stuff. dont let top end dmg impress you too much, over dmg kills are wasted dmg.

add
+171 avg ws = 1001
+235 avg clegs = 1022

remember this potential extra 21avg dmg will cost you at minimum 250 life!

a 3/3 ws closes that gap, and 8min-20max jewels will ofcourse make the clegs operate even better.

how will the extra 21 dmg make me lose 250 life?

my next test will be to see if its worth losing 250life to gain an average of 170dmg.

i dont think so. but maybe

This post was edited by starcreaft453 on Jan 19 2009 12:07am

i doubt it star. 250 life is an avg of between +25% to +33% longevity over the dmg/clegs user

by gaining a 22/1000 avg IE 2.2% better dmg then you
they sacrifice upto 33% of their avg living time

This post was edited by Jerkazoid on Jan 19 2009 12:09am

i wouldnt gain 21 dmg for 250 life... id gain 175ish dmg for 230 life which still probably isnt worth it.

EDIT: if u guys havent realized the reason im doing this is to justify using the war scepter

This post was edited by starcreaft453 on Jan 19 2009 12:09am

oh shit account for PVP. star


that xxx dmg is actually 1/6 its value vs life

so really. 6max/ar/20life gcs really arent and never have been worth using over 15life/ say ar or defense scs...

wtf why did all the zealots not see this b4?

1074 life with 860 average dmg (1/6)

vs 824 life with 1000 average dmg (1/6)

This post was edited by starcreaft453 on Jan 19 2009 12:13am

there is NO excuse for the clegs even though it gets 2% more dmg over the WS... it will cost you the life sc's and be a 25-33% hit to life

the 3/3 WS are better by far imo

my scepter issnt 3/3 but is indeed a 15ed/3ar/3zeal/2conc scepter (pretty much a 3/3 scepter tho so it doesnt matter i guess)

well,, sorta...( i screwed up as well. typing faster then thinking) sorry about that

i kept forgetting to compare ws w/o gc to clegs with/


the +250 life should perform better on avg. check the avg DPS, or better the avg strikes till death,

1000 life NON gc ws setup doing avg 830avg pvp = 141pvp a hit
750 life GC clegs doign 1024 avg = 174pvp a hit

750 / 141 = 5.31 strikes till death
1000/174 = 5.74 strikes till death

the 1000 life lasts .43 strikes longer or .43/5.31 avg 8% longer (not to mention u should have more AR with the 3/3 bc of slvl 10zeal and 2ba)


so the clegs is not even more effective with perfect +dmg.... maybe if u had 8-20 jewels... but still

the only reason for the clegs is its WAY cheaper/faster, to build with it to be effective early,, u dont need to use 4 extra jewels to finish it in ladder for those of us that are impatient
and upset deadly dmg is always nice for that 1 hit victory chunk to surprise randoms ^ ^

but res assured a 3/3 or even 3/2 is superior perfection

This post was edited by Jerkazoid on Jan 19 2009 12:25am

thank you very much jerk

i though the ws was better and you helped me prove it heres a minor donation