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Nov 10 2021 11:50am
Quote (QueeF @ Nov 10 2021 06:29pm)
Id destroy all of you but I can't play my chars ive played for years cuz they got no idea whats goin on and nerfed em.

No more dins for synch
No more wsg

Thats a rip , im not blowing 20-40k fg on a zon when you cant even wsg lewl.


I was acutally pretty successful so far with my zon, she can beat all chars but assasin, which is mostly due to mindblast and, as you said, missing wsg
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Quote (risinghero @ Nov 10 2021 12:50pm)
I was acutally pretty successful so far with my zon, she can beat all chars but assasin, which is mostly due to mindblast and, as you said, missing wsg


Thanks for proving my point.
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Nov 10 2021 11:51am
Ferdia for pres reguardless , just saying thats why you won't catch me around anytime soon.

Me and jay wanna build lld's so bad but yeah just not worth it.
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Nov 10 2021 01:12pm
Quote (risinghero @ Nov 10 2021 12:50pm)
I was acutally pretty successful so far with my zon, she can beat all chars but assasin, which is mostly due to mindblast and, as you said, missing wsg

i dont think its related to mind blast. df is just miles, MILES better than it was on d2r, so you can reliably chain them.
i have no difficulties against zons even when i use psychic hammer instead of mind blast. zons are also much much more item-dependant, so youre effectively operating at half dmg whereas im pretty much 90% built. its a problem that will go away with commitment on your character. that said, i do agree that mind blast makes the duel harder.

if i may make a suggestion for trappers : ban mind blast against specific archetypes. for instance, necro/zon/shaper/zeal (for trapper, kickers may still use mind blast). but mind blast is super needed against ww barbs. its a 50-50 matchup at best (9-1 in my case vs high frw barb) and mind blast is a huge life saver.
same for paly, theyre not that vulnerable to mind blast with charge.

This post was edited by WereWolf12345 on Nov 10 2021 01:22pm
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Quote (WereWolf12345 @ 10 Nov 2021 14:12)
i dont think its related to mind blast. df is just miles, MILES better than it was on d2r, so you can reliably chain them.
i have no difficulties against zons even when i use psychic hammer instead of mind blast. zons are also much much more item-dependant, so youre effectively operating at half dmg whereas im pretty much 90% built. its a problem that will go away with commitment on your character. that said, i do agree that mind blast makes the duel harder.

if i may make a suggestion for trappers ^ferdia : ban mind blast against specific archetypes. for instance, necro/zon/shaper/zeal. but mind blast is super needed against ww barbs. its a 50-50 matchup at best (9-1 in my case vs high frw barb) and mind blast is a huge life saver.
same for paly, theyre not that vulnerable to mind blast with charge.



I heard that MA skills cannot he blocked and are always max speed no matter what, reaching ridiculously unfair dps and lock, any ideas how to counter that lol, I guess hdin or ww barb is the only way
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Nov 10 2021 01:26pm
Decrep or clay golem or slow % gm vs sin? Spurs or strides vs sorc? Maybe buff other classes gear or skill, or mix of buff other class with nerf to op and find a middle ground?
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Quote (Belarathon @ Nov 10 2021 02:22pm)
I heard that MA skills cannot he blocked and are always max speed no matter what, reaching ridiculously unfair dps and lock, any ideas how to counter that lol, I guess hdin or ww barb is the only way


dragon talon, exploding kick, dragon claw, and dragon flight all cannot be blocked and will ignore dodge/evade. they will always land (unsure if there's an ar check).

however, the speed isnt capped, its *uncapped*. and it isnt for kicks or weap swings, its for trap laying/fireblast. instead of capping at 9fpa, it caps at 5fpa, but requires a heavy commitment in eias (high lvl BoS). its probably possible to pull off in LLD, but doing so will require a heavy, heavy damage sacrifice is my guess. and nobody has broke it yet. id like to see it happen though.

Quote (Scipi @ Nov 10 2021 02:26pm)
Decrep or clay golem or slow % gm vs sin? Spurs or strides vs sorc? Maybe buff other classes gear or skill, or mix of buff other class with nerf to op and find a middle ground?

kickers have a bad matchup vs bone necros, that would rek them. hmm maybe not if mind blast is allowed against them. but its dumb to allow slow% against ias-reliant characters. better off just banning mind blast vs necs.

This post was edited by WereWolf12345 on Nov 10 2021 01:29pm
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Quote (WereWolf12345 @ Nov 10 2021 11:27am)
dragon talon, exploding kick, dragon claw, and dragon flight all cannot be blocked and will ignore dodge/evade. they will always land (unsure if there's an ar check).

however, the speed isnt capped, its *uncapped*. and it isnt for kicks or weap swings, its for trap laying/fireblast. instead of capping at 9fpa, it caps at 5fpa, but requires a heavy commitment in eias (high lvl BoS). its probably possible to pull off in LLD, but doing so will require a heavy, heavy damage sacrifice is my guess. and nobody has broke it yet. id like to see it happen though.


kickers have a bad matchup vs bone necros, that would rek them. hmm maybe not if mind blast is allowed against them. but its dumb to allow slow% against ias-reliant characters. better off just banning mind blast vs necs.



Nec with a staff should still have adv even with mb no?
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Nov 10 2021 01:34pm
Quote (Scipi @ Nov 10 2021 02:33pm)
Nec with a staff should still have adv even with mb no?


tele nec? no idea. ive only seen 2 bone necros on d2r and none of them used tele.
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Nov 10 2021 02:21pm
Quote (WereWolf12345 @ Nov 10 2021 08:12pm)
i dont think its related to mind blast. df is just miles, MILES better than it was on d2r, so you can reliably chain them.
i have no difficulties against zons even when i use psychic hammer instead of mind blast. zons are also much much more item-dependant, so youre effectively operating at half dmg whereas im pretty much 90% built. its a problem that will go away with commitment on your character. that said, i do agree that mind blast makes the duel harder.

if i may make a suggestion for trappers ^ferdia : ban mind blast against specific archetypes. for instance, necro/zon/shaper/zeal (for trapper, kickers may still use mind blast). but mind blast is super needed against ww barbs. its a 50-50 matchup at best (9-1 in my case vs high frw barb) and mind blast is a huge life saver.
same for paly, theyre not that vulnerable to mind blast with charge.


Yes, u have a point. Df ist just insane now

And tbh, i dont mind having a counter. Its okay to have a bad matchup against certain classes, as long as i dont get wrecked by every other class

This post was edited by risinghero on Nov 10 2021 02:22pm
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