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Nov 9 2021 09:25am
Game hasn’t even been out 3 months and Ferdia already writing a rules bible
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Quote (Belarathon @ Nov 9 2021 07:19am)
Wat? I’m not sure I understand. 68 was the legacy bp, what does 72 have to do with it? :o

At the moment rocking 48 fcr build cause it was the only way to keep 8 bolts without using sig shield. But I can see myself swapping to sig shield and 68 fcr bp again would be big life drop tho



For zon using a 2H staff the fcr bp is 13 at 68, but @72 fcr the action bp goes from 10->9, like 86 fcr on the baba
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Quote (Scipi @ Nov 9 2021 10:27am)
For zon using a 2H staff the fcr bp is 13 at 68, but @72 fcr the action bp goes from 10->9, like 86 fcr on the baba


what is an "action bp"? there's no 72fcr breakpoint for zon



This post was edited by WereWolf12345 on Nov 9 2021 09:32am
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Nov 9 2021 09:38am
Quote (Doggyfood @ Nov 9 2021 07:25am)
Game hasn’t even been out 3 months and Ferdia already writing a rules bible



Don’t worry, I will ignore/break every rule when I pick the game up in 2 years.
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Quote (WereWolf12345 @ 9 Nov 2021 10:32)
what is an "action bp"? there's no 72fcr breakpoint for zon

https://i.imgur.com/Wj21kbA.png



Action frame is the singular frame where the actual teleport takes place. The frames before it are wind up and the frames after it are wind down. I.e. raising the arm etc

Quote (Scipi @ 9 Nov 2021 10:27)
For zon using a 2H staff the fcr bp is 13 at 68, but @72 fcr the action bp goes from 10->9, like 86 fcr on the baba



Awesome I never knew, do you know what could bump it up for 48fcr bp? Although I’ll prob be stuck on 50 fcr regardless :(. If I want to keep gold wrap for 50 ias
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Nov 9 2021 09:41am
Quote (Belarathon @ Nov 9 2021 10:38am)
Action frame is the singular frame where the actual teleport takes place. The frames before it are wind up and the frames after it are wind down. I.e. raising the arm etc

so if i understand correctly, 68fcr would be for the wind up (delay between casting to you landing on your opponent's head), and 72fcr would be breakpoint of wind down (delay between you landing on your opponent to being able to do something else)?

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Quote (WereWolf12345 @ 9 Nov 2021 10:41)
so if i understand correctly, 68fcr would be for the wind up (delay between casting to you landing on your opponent's head), and 72fcr would be breakpoint of wind down (delay between you landing on your opponent to being able to do something else)?



I don’t actually know the numbers offhand and not sure which site or calc Ted is using but I have to get it off him for sure

But for example if 68 fcr is a 13 frame animation sequence, maybe the actual teleport will happen at frame 10 of the sequence. Teds trick here is that bumping fcr a little bit can move the action frame up in the sequence. Which I didn’t know about as my knowledge of action frames is introductory

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Nov 9 2021 09:50am
Tele swapping is pretty smooth on 63fcr barb.
I'm pretty sure it will still feel clunky with a zon's bps though.
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Nov 9 2021 09:53am
Quote (trix123 @ 9 Nov 2021 10:50)
Tele swapping is pretty smooth on 63fcr barb.
I'm pretty sure it will still feel clunky with a zon's bps though.


Yeah iirc that’s 9 frame casting speed vs 14 frame on 48 fcr zon haha. Might end up swapping to vmagi/sig shield instead of peace/whitstan but you lose some serious life there, like almost 150 all-told lol. Not to mention you lose a massive fbr bp and HFD :(. Prob not worth it, if 48 fcr sucks I may just have to accept defeat and go with 7 bolts/68 fcr instead
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Quote (Belarathon @ Nov 9 2021 10:53am)
Yeah iirc that’s 9 frame casting speed vs 14 frame on 48 fcr zon haha. Might end up swapping to vmagi/sig shield instead of peace/whitstan but you lose some serious life there, like almost 150 all-told lol. Not to mention you lose a massive fbr bp and HFD :(. Prob not worth it, if 48 fcr sucks I may just have to accept defeat and go with 7 bolts/68 fcr instead


If I may just jump in to something i realized earlier this week:
its possible to grab an aksod and slap 3 shaels in it to reach the 86fbr breakpoint. that goes from 3fpa to 2fpa (33% faster animation). itd be especially useful against bowzons/ww barb. i tried doing it on sin, but it would cost me more dex points to reach max block (like probably 50-100 hp worth), so I decided to stick to whist. but im still glad i know of this trick.
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