sucks cuz 18 charge/zeal can vs all and win matches. 30 there's no real answer to that sadly. charge zeal is decent, but still has hard counters.

Only hard counter for zeal/charge @ 30 is shielded ww barb imho

thats def the hard counter. fireballer is also annoying af if they play like co912121 or w/e his name was and just random tele, cast 2-3 random fireballs, repeat repeat repeat. max DR firewaller es can be tough af too.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jun 22 2021 11:19am

He also used memory of insight, bmanas, and mana pots. So he doesn't even count. He's the definition of trash

tbh ive always thought 1 bmana should be GM as long as its not on an es sorc

tbh i saw glueberry slam jack several times, i dont feel like even a l8z fb is a true hard counter to zeal/charge, but i will say if an hdin chooses to play like an absolute dick bag there is rly nothing zealcharge can do except for try to avoid synch and shift zeal while praying that the din makes a mistake and comes within range. ry is very good at outwaiting hdins tho so i get what he is saying when he says shield barb is the only true hard counter.

im not a patient man, if a matchup required me to play 15 min duels im gonna suicide trying to get a crit and just take the L.

like on my shocker i can equip full FOH gear, and foh charge down a barb with paper cuts and win. but shit takes FOREVER. nty. give me that 1-5 loss where i brag about my crit slam win.

I tend to use holy shock vs hdin to expose the synch and get my hits in that way. Still a very rough matchup.

i am guessing the barb doesnt have teleport? cause even with foh gear a good barb should just telestomp swap whirl kill you. like yeah u can get lucky and land a charge when they land on u with staff up, but if the barb is smart he will time the telestomp swap whirl alongside ur foh.



ur still the best ive seen at zeal vs hdin tho, you are good at avoiding the synch even w/o the holy shock. i honestly agree that the only true hard counter is shield barb.

This post was edited by MADIrishGunner on Jun 22 2021 11:35am

trix 5-0d like 4 different barbs all in one tourney. i know 1 was frw only, but think at least 2 were tele.

i assume he just waited out the charges or else idk. also he was v/t in max dr gear, so maybe he smited the teles effectively. was years ago at this point so idk.