I see what you’re saying for sure
I just meant zon and barb aren’t as hard to handle in a 3v3 compared to a fire sorc and hdin

Hdin and fire sorc are manageable in 1’s but in teams they are extremely tough. That’s all I meant

i disagree though, imo zon is the strongest tvt char there is.

prepare for 10 pages of "discussion"

Hm ok, so "if" only hdin would be banned, would it cripple the amount of sign ups? I completely understand the compass and balance regarding countering a build. However I would agree with hdin in an all unrestricted format for 4vs4 battle royal if it were possible to even host one.

I also did like the mirror idea, but may be a different roster?

Ya but depending on who gets drawn alongside that char makes a difference. Zon is great if it has the support, See what I’m saying?
Hdin/fire sorc can 1v3 where a bow zon would struggle more unless the matchups all favor it

I agree with this. Being new to this, above would make it more appealing to new comers.

If you think plague is a hard counter for esfb then you have not dueled Piwah plague vs esfb.

But I agree that plague is a counter for *most* fbs

cry like a bitch whenever someone doesn't coddle you and agree with every opinion or desire you have.



banning just hdin would tip the balance and fuck everything up. hdin is useful in scattering a camp team just like fber is. also good for protecting a team with no means of protecting themselves. ban hdin and barb instantly goes from OP to unstoppable. etc etc etc. there is a reason the rules are the way they are in typical lld, because they are balanced.

at this point though this discussion seems pointless. it's obvious this event isn't going to happen because of what i said about lib vs snapchat circle jerk, that alone means this discussion is ptless, i mean look at asylum already jumping me for discussing rules. he hates it. because i don't agree with shit he wants to make his friends have an advantage. he is still ass hurt from the time i told him his event would get no people and then he only got 6 ppl to show up. sucks to suck i guess.


however, if we really are aiming for 2021 to be the most toxic af year, might aswell kick it off with a vlld tournament with rules designed to cripple one player, along with a 3v3 event with no hdin to cripple that same person. i love it.

Beast!!! Even make it so barbs need a shield (or 2h?) and allow windys there could be a few outliers and that would incentivize windy play, bec barb meta comes full circle



True, we could randomize the teams after everybody enters. Determining how to make it may be difficult, say 15 entrants are all divided and there are 5 barbs 3 necs 5 sins and 2 druids, maybe at that point see if people with multiple characters would offer to switch to another.. ill access up my chars to anybody what wants to play if this were to happen too, for any event even non fpk

Only issue chars for tvt are zon/hdin /es fire sorc ...

If you want something balance then lld fpk would be barb/Druid/sin/nec... balanced 3v3 mirror would be Druid/sin/nec.