what halfway decent lvl 9 barb is gonna use sigons though? literally the only lvl 9s ive seen use sigons are kickers and smiters lol.

Top vlld is a sac necro anyways. Id rather take bone armor, insta amp, clay golem and a 1-2 hit ko attack over crushing blow imo.

mikeyjd made a smite/sac pally for like 50fg that could beat the best vllds of its era. u get so far ahead its over even with low sac dmg.

Sure, i get that. But i just meant on its own, smite + cb should be nerfable via flat dr

always hits target and has KB

so it subverts the bracket, which is all about def/dmg/ar balance. it requires no ar, and passes any def.

i think my issue is less balance in the meta, and more that it is a duck amongst hawks.

Yeah, i was just pointing out that: yes it is annoying to duel against,but mathamatically, it should be easily nulled since swapping to sac side would be also considered bm (at least by euro standards) since smite would be classified as ranged.

ya it for sure could be null'd by DR gear, but few have that DR gear. cant craft it as lowest craft is lvl 13. duskdeep too high, etc. need to buy 1 dr rings. armor, shield, etc.

and on top of that KB is annoying af, same reason bashers are discouraged.

and lastly, best bet vs a smiter would be to token and put no pts to dex, nn block.

just best to avoid it imo, and even bashers for that matter.

yep, 100% agree.


not to mention wtf is your dmg even going to be with all this dr gear? if you were to waste all your efforts on making this you could still lose just to low as fuck normal attack damage and smites knockback.

Bash atleast has attack rating and can miss, smite is a knockback every damn hit ever since the 2017 update. so if your opponent decides to get that dr gear you talked about and takes the big hit on damage and attack rating, you can just keep knocking them back with smite and swapping to normal attack over and over and just widdle them down til they die.

the knockback alone raped me when i dueled vs jacks smiter, then i stood against a puddle so he couldn't keep knocking me back and i still died vs crushflange. and when he used flail and i set myself up against a puddle i managed to win but barely.

Smites just op and says fuck you to anyone who has put any kind of serious effort into building their character, and for that reason alone imo its bm. Then again i spend my time in the lvl 9 bracket dueling vs someone with duped 8-14'd gear so i clearly dont mind vsing bm shit lol.

also i think even with all that dr on gear, if they used thorns aura they'd still fuck you up, and if not then wouldn't might auras dmg boost be magic damage and not able to be completely nulled from dr?

This post was edited by MADIrishGunner on Nov 17 2020 07:54am

For reference:

lvl 8 smite = 120% ed

spiked shield = 5-9 dmg

80ed armor, 60 ed helm, 40 ed shield

Min Smite Damage = (Shield Min Damage + (Damage +x) + (Holy Shield Min Damage)) * (1 + (Strength + (+x% Enhanced Damage) / 100)))
Max Smite Damage = (Shield Max Damage + (Damage +x) + (Holy Shield Max Damage)) * (1 + (Strength + (+x% Enhanced Damage) / 100)))

min = (5) * (1+((50+300)/100) = 22.5 screen = 3.825 pvp

max = (9) * (1+((50+300)/100 = 40.5 screen = 6.885 pvp

so can only be null'd on the min side and requires 4 dr items, can not be null'd on the high side unless theres dr items im not thinking of.




my sac sorc uses a dr armor, dr bone shield ,and 2x dr rings. but it took me years to find ones good enough to justify using them.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 17 2020 07:56am

plus might aura adds dmg too so don't forget that. i know most smiters use defiance aura but if they r vsing this little dr idea they can just spec lvl 9 might. or hell even thorns aura if they want.

in short, smiter can overcome the dr idea.
its pretty common knowledge that smite is the best lvl 9 if its allowed, hence why i consider it bm.

also its lvl 9 smite not 8, a lvl 9 char can have lvl 9 skill u just need skill qs.

This post was edited by MADIrishGunner on Nov 17 2020 08:01am