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May 4 2007 02:25pm
this is zvz. its kinda like how spirit is bm in nvn for a lot of people. its not a duel to see who has more mana pots and who can get their dodges off more. its an attempt at skilled dueling.

anyways, very nice guide. i dont zvz too well, it never really interested me for one, and for another its always been kinda boring when i did it. i seem to recall slight use of some of those tactics while playing smile.gif
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May 4 2007 03:02pm
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u use 2passive helm um is 2passive> 1zon skills ? .. just curious wut is ur damage as well im asuming u use the best gear out of that u listed? mine is around 980 on my zon
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May 4 2007 03:52pm
depends on the build imo. for zvz, i think that a 2 passive > 1 zon. you'd only get 10% more dmg on guided arrow, and +1 to jab. you get an extra % to crit (possibly), extra % to dodge, avoid, and evade with 2 passive. not to mention your valk/decoy will have higher life and maybe tank an extra arrow.

my lvl 30 norm rush bowa had 940 guided and 42x life, used an ashwood, maxed plate, and a nice rare circ (20 frw, 40+ life and mana, all resist, etc..)
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May 4 2007 10:24pm
hrmm, keep in mind im referring to excessive multi spam.

multishot is fine, but excessive multi spam is the opposite of what lld zvz is about, which i guess doesnt necesaarily make it bm.

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May 4 2007 10:27pm
First of all if u want to make some dmg u cant have full inve of mana charms so u could spam multi as much as u want, second of all multi makes lower dmg than ga.
Multi is crappier attack than ga but its good to shoot few multis in right times, but only few because ur mana wwill burn in few sec if u spam multi.
There is nothing lame about multi.
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May 4 2007 10:53pm
a few bmanas will take care of your mana problem. i've actually known a zon who was basically a multi zon, and he could walk all over lesser dmg and life zons. at that point i'd say it was bm, which is the reasoning behind me deeming it bm.

you fail to remember that my zons multishot does more dmg that some people's ga dmg. the less EXCESSIVE use of multispam the better imo.
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May 5 2007 07:48am
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a few BManas will take care of your mana problem.


Thats bm anyway, doesnt matter what the mana is used for. With LEGIT items the sacrifice to get enough mana to spam multishot seems pretty big to me. And if some1 spams multi, cant u just step back and snipe with some guideds? Isnt the range a bit longer?
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May 5 2007 07:54am
If u need to spam multi to win then u cant use guided.
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Jun 19 2007 10:21pm
Nice guide. I guess I am the most infamous brutal charger zon huh? Hehe, I used to do it so often cause all the other bower's gears were so bad compared to mine. Damn I miss those days!

I never had problem dealing with multishot builds. Just don't ever chase them, have plenty frw on yourself, keep a distance, spamming GA to make invisible GAs.
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Jun 20 2007 03:07pm
</3 mei and his charging zon.

heart.gif tric forever and ever
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