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May 20 2010 12:35pm
i use between 32-39 on my wof sin much less then that and i may as well charsi her
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May 20 2010 05:21pm
i have 19-21 on my sorc 24-29 on my nec and my basher has 14.

#6 for sure
Making a char strong is half the fun of making it.
If you have the gear to hit all your bp's and can still get a crazy amount of rep more power to you.
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May 20 2010 05:23pm
I also think the matchup has to be taken into consideration too.
ie. a fissure vs fb sorc is automatically going to take forever, so should have a cap to counter endless duels.
but on the opposite side things like charger vs anything, there should be no cap - as they will need every last bit.

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May 20 2010 05:25pm
no cap at 18

every char is easily capable of mass rep, outsize of MAYBE zons, but they still can get enough and have highly capable offensive outputs on both switches in addition to competitive frw to eliminate this

trust me, i dont play overly defensive on Shinra unless its 1v3 and even then i dont l8z off screen

i agree with shaman's above statement
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May 20 2010 05:33pm
Quote (elusive @ May 21 2010 12:25pm)
no cap at 18

every char is easily capable of mass rep, outsize of MAYBE zons, but they still can get enough and have highly capable offensive outputs on both switches in addition to competitive frw to eliminate this

trust me, i dont play overly defensive on Shinra unless its 1v3 and even then i dont l8z off screen

i agree with shaman's above statement


yeah 18 is good for the fact that breakpoints are more easily hit, and this allows for more life rep stacking.
but it all comes down to dueler discretion.
ie. if a fissure dudu has 50 rep it'd be pretty wankerish to just constantly run_awayy and rep.
but opposed to that, a nec with 15-20 life rep (this is an example remember) shouldn't be so frowned upon when he hoofs it a few screens away.
imo, it just takes a balance of rep and dueling respect

what I mean by dueling respect is easily summed up by what sXTitan said a long time ago, but I don't have the quote.
"There are two types of duelers, those who just want easy wins, and those who want to enjoy dueling".
If you have a 50 rep fissure dudu and just kkbai to other side of moor frequently you aren't playing for a fun duel, you are playing (GM) for an easy kill.
But say the fissure dudu always stays near, and keeps things exciting and constantly moving. That's a whole other story.
But it'd be impossible to define one as good or bad.
So pretty much I've just invalidated what I said and my post should forever be removed from this site.

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Quote (elusive @ 20 May 2010 19:25)
no cap at 18

every char is easily capable of mass rep, outsize of MAYBE zons, but they still can get enough and have highly capable offensive outputs on both switches in addition to competitive frw to eliminate this

trust me, i dont play overly defensive on Shinra unless its 1v3 and even then i dont l8z off screen

i agree with shaman's above statement


:rofl: I think it's kinda sad when you have 3 ppl trying to kill you and they run off to rep while you just stand there and tank all.
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Quote (elusive @ May 20 2010 06:25pm)
no cap at 18

every char is easily capable of mass rep, outsize of MAYBE zons, but they still can get enough and have highly capable offensive outputs on both switches in addition to competitive frw to eliminate this

trust me, i dont play overly defensive on Shinra unless its 1v3 and even then i dont l8z off screen

i agree with shaman's above statement


i vouch for that. I know you dont play overtly defensive, but a lot of high rep chars do
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May 20 2010 06:16pm
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i vouch for that. I know you dont play overtly defensive, but a lot of high rep chars do


fissure druid´s can get 50rep without making a scacrifice, which is about double what is viable for most other chars.
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Quote (mikeyjd @ May 20 2010 07:16pm)
fissure druid´s can get 50rep without making a scacrifice, which is about double what is viable for most other chars.


oh i know im just saying i know he doesnt play defensive on his dudu, but there are a fair amount that ive seen that abuse this
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Quote (mikeyjd @ May 20 2010 08:16pm)
fissure druid´s can get 50rep without making a scacrifice, which is about double what is viable for most other chars.


which is a very fair argument - my fissure has 45 rep on his basic gear, arguably i could use a 3 pruby helm but id still hit 30 rep, the more important feature in skull the helm for me is the 57% mana regen which lets me eliminate mana issues 99% of the time. i really only run low when im in a 1v2 situation and i have to get creative with my fissure placements, limiting regen downtime.

running to regen is outright stupid - although when im forced into situations where its a 1v2 or even 1v3 im going to play defensively enough so that i have a "chance" to win. still this doesnt mean i run off mini-maps for 30+ secs then pick and choose my spots, im going to essentially pick a spot where i have a chance to dish out damage and limit incoming damage and hold that position

still, plenty of char setups can reach ~30 rep without making much sacrifice, its the fact taht fissures basically only use 3 socket/3 fissure helms that give them a distinct 15 rep/57% regen on them at all times. if you took out my amulet (10 rep) and belt (4 rep), id still have 31 rep.
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