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Quote (QueeF @ 3 Oct 2023 04:25)
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Post 3 here. Seems you lack of basic knowledge. This amulet can’t be lvl49.
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Oct 3 2023 01:53am
Questions:
Is this NA tour only?

If yes, do EU players get a handicap system?
Edit: nvm just seen it's a coin flip.


Also:
22 rep for bowie and 10 for trapper? Would love to hear feedback/testing for this.
Same for banning esfb, but no nerfs for barb?
Are you trying to keep some chars stronger then others (without balance), for participants to gain more points (if they win vs these classes) or something?

GJ with this tour, i love the idea!

This post was edited by chum on Oct 3 2023 02:19am
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Oct 3 2023 03:06am
Druid - ele
Barb - naga ww
Nec - pnb
Zon - telebow with frw swaps
Sin - kick/ls

My kicker uses a eth claw with no rep, if this is not allowed lmk

This post was edited by Gfresh99 on Oct 3 2023 03:07am
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Quote (iceydicey @ Oct 3 2023 06:13am)
Sign up with

Tele bowa
Vita fb
Nado druid
Necro
LS trapper
Bladesin
Tele cs


I demand an appearance from the sigon barb :angel:

I will only be able to meet with my challenges during the weekend if that's ok if not let me know,

Entering with:

Frw throw barb
Blade sin
Foh charger
LS trapper
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Oct 3 2023 07:55am
Quote (chum @ Oct 3 2023 03:53am)
Questions:
Is this NA tour only?

If yes, do EU players get a handicap system?
Edit: nvm just seen it's a coin flip.


Also:
22 rep for bowie and 10 for trapper? Would love to hear feedback/testing for this.
Same for banning esfb, but no nerfs for barb?
Are you trying to keep some chars stronger then others (without balance), for participants to gain more points (if they win vs these classes) or something?

GJ with this tour, i love the idea!


coin flip, not sure if a handicap system where EU player makes a NA game would be better or worse. you can lmk your experience.

will probably lower rep for bowa to 15 and maybe a further limit to global frw.

will probably ban cb on barb, maybe put a maximum hp limit (2500+ hp is just stupid). hesitant about going 15 mastery because people will have to token to do their ladder challenges if they don't normally do it. afaik mastery is the only difference between this ruleset and justified's

Quote (Gfresh99 @ Oct 3 2023 05:06am)
Druid - ele
Barb - naga ww
Nec - pnb
Zon - telebow with frw swaps
Sin - kick/ls

My kicker uses a eth claw with no rep, if this is not allowed lmk


no rep is fine as long as you don't use blade shield

Quote (iceydicey @ Oct 2 2023 08:57pm)
challenge ^bodyslamdomepie nvd
challenge ^Pants1 vita fb vs frw or tele bowa you pick
challenge ^rosegarden nado druid vs LS trapper


also i lost this vs pants, updated OP with points that he earned
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Quote (iceydicey @ Oct 3 2023 02:55pm)
coin flip, not sure if a handicap system where EU player makes a NA game would be better or worse. you can lmk your experience.

will probably lower rep for bowa to 15 and maybe a further limit to global frw.

will probably ban cb on barb, maybe put a maximum hp limit (2500+ hp is just stupid). hesitant about going 15 mastery because people will have to token to do their ladder challenges if they don't normally do it. afaik mastery is the only difference between this ruleset and justified's



no rep is fine as long as you don't use blade shield



also i lost this vs pants, updated OP with points that he earned


Oh so it's not cross realm? Just a coin flip as to who makes the game on NA?
If I make a game on NA I get 125-170 ish ping.
If NA guy makes a game in eu I get about 60 ping.
If I make the game in eu I get around 20-45 ping.

So the difference is if its all NA based, I'll have to sign up with chars that don't require tele or use limited tele.

15 rep for bowies makes more sense.

Banning cb is just silly.... reason being unless you're dueling a barb cb really isn't the play anyway.
Viper > rattle
Sanders > goes

I know what you mean having different rulesets and using a token constantly is annoying, however your other sentence "life cap on barb" means they will have to token in-between tours anyway.... not sure what the difference is?

This post was edited by chum on Oct 3 2023 08:07am
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Oh so it's not cross realm? Just a coin flip as to who makes the game on NA?
If I make a game on NA I get 125-170 ish ping.
If NA guy makes a game in eu I get about 60 ping.
If I make the game in eu I get around 20-45 ping.

15 rep for bowies makes more sense.

Banning cb is just silly.... reason being unless you're dueling a barb cb really isn't the play anyway.
Viper > rattle
Sanders > goes

I know what you mean having different rulesets and using a token constantly is annoying, however your other sentence "life cap on barb" means they will have to token in-between tours anyway.... not sure what the difference is?


no, it's not a coin flip for who makes the game on NA. maybe for cross-server challenges specifically it can be a coin flip for who makes a game on the other person's server.

i think in general bringing down a barb's hp by a good chunk would be a more impactful nerf than 5 mastery, i have tried 15 mastery on my sigons barb and still had no issues mowing down everyone other than other barbs. capping a barb at say 1800 hp gives them much less of a cushion to play with. also many barbs have viper/circ swaps already that they can lower their hp with, i think it's less of a guaranteed token than 15 mastery.
maybe the step after that is both, time will tell but the ultimate goal of this ladder is not an end-all fix for barbs - it's to give other builds a chance by rewarding winning a hard/even matchup more than winning an easy matchup. a barb playing 90/10 matchups will need to win 5x the matches to earn the same amount of points as a single 50/50.
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Quote (iceydicey @ Oct 3 2023 03:12pm)
no, it's not a coin flip for who makes the game on NA. maybe for cross-server challenges specifically it can be a coin flip for who makes a game on the other person's server.

i think in general bringing down a barb's hp by a good chunk would be a more impactful nerf than 5 mastery, i have tried 15 mastery on my sigons barb and still had no issues mowing down everyone other than other barbs. capping a barb at say 1800 hp gives them much less of a cushion to play with. also many barbs have viper/circ swaps already that they can lower their hp with, i think it's less of a guaranteed token than 15 mastery.
maybe the step after that is both, time will tell but the ultimate goal of this ladder is not an end-all fix for barbs - it's to give other builds a chance by rewarding winning a hard/even matchup more than winning an easy matchup. a barb playing 90/10 matchups will need to win 5x the matches to earn the same amount of points as a single 50/50.


I think bringing down barbs life would make no difference and tbh I feel like 15mastery doesn't make much difference either (small crit /dmg/ar loss).

I do however, feel like it's more the dmg output from barbs then it is the survivability, and I can only assume you feel the same since you mentioned about banning cb.
The chance of barbs 1whirl KO is so high.... that is the problem in my opinion.

The problem you have by capping life is limiting/banning top gear. This is something that limiting points on either bo or mastery would solve.
I have said bo or mastery.... now I'm suddenly thinking hmmm.... both?

Anyway I'm not here to put a downer on this / discuss rules I just wanted to voice my opinion.

Moving on.
Chars for chum:
Barb
Vita fb (if es is banned)
Bladesin
Kicker
Charge/smite/zeal
Windy

This post was edited by chum on Oct 3 2023 08:50am
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Oct 3 2023 10:14am
Quote (chum @ Oct 3 2023 09:45am)
I think bringing down barbs life would make no difference and tbh I feel like 15mastery doesn't make much difference either (small crit /dmg/ar loss).

I do however, feel like it's more the dmg output from barbs then it is the survivability, and I can only assume you feel the same since you mentioned about banning cb.
The chance of barbs 1whirl KO is so high.... that is the problem in my opinion.

The problem you have by capping life is limiting/banning top gear. This is something that limiting points on either bo or mastery would solve.
I have said bo or mastery.... now I'm suddenly thinking hmmm.... both?

Anyway I'm not here to put a downer on this / discuss rules I just wanted to voice my opinion.

Moving on.
Chars for chum:
Barb
Vita fb (if es is banned)
Bladesin
Kicker
Charge/smite/zeal
Windy


The problem with barb is too many hitchecks in an instant. Any other nerf isnt gonna fix it. Cleg gloves will fix op barbs

And that will only help with some classes

This post was edited by Blld on Oct 3 2023 10:24am
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ls trap vs nado
ls trap vs summon dudu
bvc vs Tele bow

Im mainly free on MWF and sometimes weekends but probably not much time this week
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