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So basically what we've figured out so far is Libbys are either 1st or 2nd tier depending on what your definition of the tiers are and druids are good if that player is good but in tvt they're still not good.
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An experienced player can just about 1v3 with any top 1 or 2 tier char
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So basically what we've figured out so far is Libbys are either 1st or 2nd tier depending on what your definition of the tiers are and druids are good if that player is good but in tvt they're still not good.



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So basically what we've figured out so far is Libbys are either 1st or 2nd tier depending on what your definition of the tiers are and druids are good if that player is good but in tvt they're still not good.


I think they are good at tvt just not quite top 5.
Say you duel a team with 1 trap + 1 bowa + 1 hammer + 1 barb with dudu.
If they camp and you stomp into that you are pretty fucked in less than a second. So in tvt dru requires much more patience than in 1v1s
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Quote (Twinsen @ Feb 24 2017 03:03pm)
I think they are good at tvt just not quite top 5.
Say you duel a team with 1 trap + 1 bowa + 1 hammer + 1 barb with dudu.
If they camp and you stomp into that you are pretty fucked in less than a second. So in tvt dru requires much more patience than in 1v1s


oh i quite agree they're considerably worse in TVT than in 1v1. and subject to be camped out by a lot of team comps. hell most of your time is spent casting wolves+oak while hoping someone messes up and gets on your screen. Maybe cyclone recast should be GM to let them be more aggressive, but i dont think it would do enough. Still a good build tho for some team comps, necro/bowa providing amp is a big plus. And they do a good job of shutting down a charger and trapping a charger if you have a bowa to protect with hurricane+wolves.

I have tried a 24 nado in 18 tvt and most of the duels you're just casting wolves to protect teams, and that can happen and be annoying in 30 tvt as well
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so you're all clear, the banning of hardskilled vigor hurts the charge damage on a libby more than it hurts the hammer damage of a hdin (or libby) because vigor is dual synergy for charge as well as hammer

it also forces (for some) tearhaunches, which costs usually at least 5 stats and 100 base AR (from not using sanders boots).

lastly, by banning hard skilled medi (it happened on east) you run into the problem eu has, where you're banning out newer players from even being able to compete because they don't have the items that pop up once every 3 years to be able to fit their char into your hyper strict meta. i got the hammer stick for kaz because it was incredibly efficient to not need to press w to regen mana. had it not existed, the char is innately worse for either needing hardskilled medi, or using wep swap for medi. i think this is where a lot of us fall on our faces tbh, because we've done this long enough and worked on certain chars long enough we have what we need to fit a pretty good balance. and then anyone newer who wants to get in, they end up on fb sorcs or w/e because they dont have those incredibly specific items needed to fit a diff char into what we have determined is a well balanced meta. this is why i've always told y'all to can it when new restrictions come up for debate.
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so you're all clear, the banning of hardskilled vigor hurts the charge damage on a libby more than it hurts the hammer damage of a hdin (or libby) because vigor is dual synergy for charge as well as hammer

it also forces (for some) tearhaunches, which costs usually at least 5 stats and 100 base AR (from not using sanders boots).

lastly, by banning hard skilled medi (it happened on east) you run into the problem eu has, where you're banning out newer players from even being able to compete because they don't have the items that pop up once every 3 years to be able to fit their char into your hyper strict meta. i got the hammer stick for kaz because it was incredibly efficient to not need to press w to regen mana. had it not existed, the char is innately worse for either needing hardskilled medi, or using wep swap for medi. i think this is where a lot of us fall on our faces tbh, because we've done this long enough and worked on certain chars long enough we have what we need to fit a pretty good balance. and then anyone newer who wants to get in, they end up on fb sorcs or w/e because they dont have those incredibly specific items needed to fit a diff char into what we have determined is a well balanced meta. this is why i've always told y'all to can it when new restrictions come up for debate.


I made my chars after the rules but
tbh most ppl wont care on eu if you have a pt in prayer and use sanders.
The ones who would mind already retired ;p
rules are good for tours but
for pubs and random tvts just use common sense..
I think that rule was just made to prevent someone to go offscreen in tours and abuse medi 24/7.
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