Quote (Belarathon @ Feb 14 2021 06:21pm)

I would have to buy 4x paw 3/20/15 to replace frw scs :’(. Essentially spending money to gimp her frw haha. But yeah would obv need to do it if the whole community agreed to change rule

Quote (Scipi @ 14 Feb 2021 16:24)

You’re an animal for even suggesting it, tbh I love facing the imba zons it’s one of the bigger challenges, personally would vote against nerfing zon but that’s just me. Curious though, what would non str glitch boots with even 150 frw mean?

Quote (Scipi @ Feb 14 2021 03:00pm)

Absolute beastly post looking to refine, 100% down for anything geared towards less room for priding, as that’s what the balance of ruling seems most centered around. We respect the homies on the bridge and personally when 1 guy goes down on my team I don’t give a shit since we generally failed as a team (obv circumstantial as a death could be from effective kamakazee) but it’s like in bowling when you don’t get a strike or spare and toss the 3rd into the gutter, we don’t care about those 10 points or a measly win lld is for flexing meme kills doing sick shit and going beast af at all times in any way shape or form but keeping your bros alive even if it means throwing your life for the duel. Some characters like bowa or tele barb are just inherently stronger at that level *with limited arrows and teles, but the time and pride factor come into play* and benefit from the lack of pride. it’s tough to nerf them or buff other chars vs them without a shitstorm following, like any pool with varying tiers there is an unspoken merit placed upon results. Anyone can agree that there is not much merit to1v3ing on an hdin with hard statted prayer while dudes wait in town and 3 people chase you through invisible hammer fields or a fb sorc spams away. Most beautifully strongest thing imo is bowas wrecking house in tvt because they are borderline untouchable when wsging around shooting out 60% 1k dmg arrows plus any type of aura, no sense in nerfing the build OR player by making them put in less energy and focus by banning wsg (could argue the energy or focus its redirected to avoiding situations you’d need to wsg, but still) Like people have mentioned it might change a matchup or two at most but likely end in the same result with a longer duel regarding recast vs sin, while other factors like time management are still a thing. in a tournament setting I could definitely see that being a thing, but with the current pride level some characters just benefit more it is what it is. Def can’t really touch the rep cap since what Trevor said (imagine how easy it would be to build gg perf chars without that rep mod though) and for druid vs fireball, it isn’t even a discussion imo. 3 frames faster cast with unlimited tele, I think if the players are equal at any skill level the fb wins BUT the druid can still get kills at any level esp in tvt. If a necro is 90-10 vs the druid at 9 frame cast I would put fb at 95-5. If a pride match, no chance. As for druid no recast vs sin, 70/30 sin maybe? Mb isn’t the op factor there it’s wsg on the sin with BoS vs 11 frame tele/nado. Biggest hindrance of the druid if it was even 10 frame cast the experience would be 10x different between recasting etc.

Quote (Avenged321 @ Feb 14 2021 07:55pm)

Wtf is this, you trying to be the new kyu?

Someone give me the tldr version

Quote (Scipi @ Feb 14 2021 06:00pm)

Absolute beastly post looking to refine, 100% down for anything geared towards less room for priding, as that’s what the balance of ruling seems most centered around. We respect the homies on the bridge and personally when 1 guy goes down on my team I don’t give a shit since we generally failed as a team (obv circumstantial as a death could be from effective kamakazee) but it’s like in bowling when you don’t get a strike or spare and toss the 3rd into the gutter, we don’t care about those 10 points or a measly win lld is for flexing meme kills doing sick shit and going beast af at all times in any way shape or form but keeping your bros alive even if it means throwing your life for the duel. Some characters like bowa or tele barb are just inherently stronger at that level *with limited arrows and teles, but the time and pride factor come into play* and benefit from the lack of pride. it’s tough to nerf them or buff other chars vs them without a shitstorm following, like any pool with varying tiers there is an unspoken merit placed upon results. Anyone can agree that there is not much merit to1v3ing on an hdin with hard statted prayer while dudes wait in town and 3 people chase you through invisible hammer fields or a fb sorc spams away. Most beautifully strongest thing imo is bowas wrecking house in tvt because they are borderline untouchable when wsging around shooting out 60% 1k dmg arrows plus any type of aura, no sense in nerfing the build OR player by making them put in less energy and focus by banning wsg (could argue the energy or focus its redirected to avoiding situations you’d need to wsg, but still) Like people have mentioned it might change a matchup or two at most but likely end in the same result with a longer duel regarding recast vs sin, while other factors like time management are still a thing. in a tournament setting I could definitely see that being a thing, but with the current pride level some characters just benefit more it is what it is. Def can’t really touch the rep cap since what Trevor said (imagine how easy it would be to build gg perf chars without that rep mod though) and for druid vs fireball, it isn’t even a discussion imo. 3 frames faster cast with unlimited tele, I think if the players are equal at any skill level the fb wins BUT the druid can still get kills at any level esp in tvt. If a necro is 90-10 vs the druid at 9 frame cast I would put fb at 95-5. If a pride match, no chance. As for druid no recast vs sin, 70/30 sin maybe? Mb isn’t the op factor there it’s wsg on the sin with BoS vs 11 frame tele/nado. Biggest hindrance of the druid if it was even 10 frame cast the experience would be 10x different between recasting etc.

Quote (SackShadow @ 14 Feb 2021 18:52)

Limiting zon’s frw sounds dumb lol
Give me the short version on WHO that needed to help?

There’s only so much you can do to try to level the playing field.. there are supposed to be good and bad matchups lol.
Seems like the beef of the discussion is making windy a more viable caster and nuke hdins in a way that makes them less easy to abuse.. The situational CA recast sounds fine although I don’t agree with the 95-5 Druid even with recast lol Druid is still limited to a max of 260 teles (lot of nifty staff switching) before you start storing them outside of your cube lol. Maybe if you run some sweet macros you think CA recast really helps THIS much in dvs but meh.

No hard pointing prayer and limiting rep is decent touch to hdin.. anything else and it starts to get crazy. Unless you wanted to break the pace of the hdin’s ability to stay desync’d and use conc’d hammers lol then we’re hypothesizing a mana pool limitation.