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Feb 14 2021 04:31pm
just recast on druid.

if ted is op he won't recast. nobody else is op on druid.
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Feb 14 2021 04:33pm
Quote (Belarathon @ Feb 14 2021 04:31pm)
just recast on druid.

if ted is op he won't recast. nobody else is op on druid.



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Feb 14 2021 04:37pm
Quote (herpesfreesince03 @ Feb 14 2021 05:18pm)
100% agree with everything you said I guess the only thing that could change the tides are a very superior druid player where they could counter and take advantage of the fb hit that doesn’t fhr them since of CA


Yeah I was thinking about that until I realize in no tournament ppl here would host would include fire sorc and ele Druid 😂

Would only happen in fun 2v2 3v3 4v4 and then again, it’s just fun duels

This post was edited by CloudMD on Feb 14 2021 04:37pm
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Feb 14 2021 04:43pm
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Yeah I was thinking about that until I realize in no tournament ppl here would host would include fire sorc and ele Druid 😂

Would only happen in fun 2v2 3v3 4v4 and then again, it’s just fun duels



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Feb 14 2021 04:52pm
Quote (CloudMD @ Feb 14 2021 05:37pm)
Yeah I was thinking about that until I realize in no tournament ppl here would host would include fire sorc and ele Druid 😂

Would only happen in fun 2v2 3v3 4v4 and then again, it’s just fun duels


literally am hosting one once the current events are over lol.
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Absolute beastly post looking to refine, 100% down for anything geared towards less room for priding, as that’s what the balance of ruling seems most centered around. We respect the homies on the bridge and personally when 1 guy goes down on my team I don’t give a shit since we generally failed as a team (obv circumstantial as a death could be from effective kamakazee) but it’s like in bowling when you don’t get a strike or spare and toss the 3rd into the gutter, we don’t care about those 10 points or a measly win lld is for flexing meme kills doing sick shit and going beast af at all times in any way shape or form but keeping your bros alive even if it means throwing your life for the duel. Some characters like bowa or tele barb are just inherently stronger at that level *with limited arrows and teles, but the time and pride factor come into play* and benefit from the lack of pride. it’s tough to nerf them or buff other chars vs them without a shitstorm following, like any pool with varying tiers there is an unspoken merit placed upon results. Anyone can agree that there is not much merit to1v3ing on an hdin with hard statted prayer while dudes wait in town and 3 people chase you through invisible hammer fields or a fb sorc spams away. Most beautifully strongest thing imo is bowas wrecking house in tvt because they are borderline untouchable when wsging around shooting out 60% 1k dmg arrows plus any type of aura, no sense in nerfing the build OR player by making them put in less energy and focus by banning wsg (could argue the energy or focus its redirected to avoiding situations you’d need to wsg, but still) Like people have mentioned it might change a matchup or two at most but likely end in the same result with a longer duel regarding recast vs sin, while other factors like time management are still a thing. in a tournament setting I could definitely see that being a thing, but with the current pride level some characters just benefit more it is what it is. Def can’t really touch the rep cap since what Trevor said (imagine how easy it would be to build gg perf chars without that rep mod though) and for druid vs fireball, it isn’t even a discussion imo. 3 frames faster cast with unlimited tele, I think if the players are equal at any skill level the fb wins BUT the druid can still get kills at any level esp in tvt. If a necro is 90-10 vs the druid at 9 frame cast I would put fb at 95-5. If a pride match, no chance. As for druid no recast vs sin, 70/30 sin maybe? Mb isn’t the op factor there it’s wsg on the sin with BoS vs 11 frame tele/nado. Biggest hindrance of the druid if it was even 10 frame cast the experience would be 10x different between recasting etc.
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Feb 14 2021 05:07pm
Quote (Scipi @ Feb 14 2021 06:00pm)
Absolute beastly post looking to refine, 100% down for anything geared towards less room for priding, as that’s what the balance of ruling seems most centered around. We respect the homies on the bridge and personally when 1 guy goes down on my team I don’t give a shit since we generally failed as a team (obv circumstantial as a death could be from effective kamakazee) but it’s like in bowling when you don’t get a strike or spare and toss the 3rd into the gutter, we don’t care about those 10 points or a measly win lld is for flexing meme kills doing sick shit and going beast af at all times in any way shape or form but keeping your bros alive even if it means throwing your life for the duel. Some characters like bowa or tele barb are just inherently stronger at that level *with limited arrows and teles, but the time and pride factor come into play* and benefit from the lack of pride. it’s tough to nerf them or buff other chars vs them without a shitstorm following, like any pool with varying tiers there is an unspoken merit placed upon results. Anyone can agree that there is not much merit to1v3ing on an hdin with hard statted prayer while dudes wait in town and 3 people chase you through invisible hammer fields or a fb sorc spams away. Most beautifully strongest thing imo is bowas wrecking house in tvt because they are borderline untouchable when wsging around shooting out 60% 1k dmg arrows plus any type of aura, no sense in nerfing the build OR player by making them put in less energy and focus by banning wsg (could argue the energy or focus its redirected to avoiding situations you’d need to wsg, but still) Like people have mentioned it might change a matchup or two at most but likely end in the same result with a longer duel regarding recast vs sin, while other factors like time management are still a thing. in a tournament setting I could definitely see that being a thing, but with the current pride level some characters just benefit more it is what it is. Def can’t really touch the rep cap since what Trevor said (imagine how easy it would be to build gg perf chars without that rep mod though) and for druid vs fireball, it isn’t even a discussion imo. 3 frames faster cast with unlimited tele, I think if the players are equal at any skill level the fb wins BUT the druid can still get kills at any level esp in tvt. If a necro is 90-10 vs the druid at 9 frame cast I would put fb at 95-5. If a pride match, no chance. As for druid no recast vs sin, 70/30 sin maybe? Mb isn’t the op factor there it’s wsg on the sin with BoS vs 11 frame tele/nado. Biggest hindrance of the druid if it was even 10 frame cast the experience would be 10x different between recasting etc.


yeah idk what those guys were thinking saying recast ca druid would own fb, 95-5 is accurate imo lmao.
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Feb 14 2021 05:12pm
Quote (Scipi @ 14 Feb 2021 16:00)
Absolute beastly post looking to refine, 100% down for anything geared towards less room for priding, as that’s what the balance of ruling seems most centered around. We respect the homies on the bridge and personally when 1 guy goes down on my team I don’t give a shit since we generally failed as a team (obv circumstantial as a death could be from effective kamakazee) but it’s like in bowling when you don’t get a strike or spare and toss the 3rd into the gutter, we don’t care about those 10 points or a measly win lld is for flexing meme kills doing sick shit and going beast af at all times in any way shape or form but keeping your bros alive even if it means throwing your life for the duel. Some characters like bowa or tele barb are just inherently stronger at that level *with limited arrows and teles, but the time and pride factor come into play* and benefit from the lack of pride. it’s tough to nerf them or buff other chars vs them without a shitstorm following, like any pool with varying tiers there is an unspoken merit placed upon results. Anyone can agree that there is not much merit to1v3ing on an hdin with hard statted prayer while dudes wait in town and 3 people chase you through invisible hammer fields or a fb sorc spams away. Most beautifully strongest thing imo is bowas wrecking house in tvt because they are borderline untouchable when wsging around shooting out 60% 1k dmg arrows plus any type of aura, no sense in nerfing the build OR player by making them put in less energy and focus by banning wsg (could argue the energy or focus its redirected to avoiding situations you’d need to wsg, but still) Like people have mentioned it might change a matchup or two at most but likely end in the same result with a longer duel regarding recast vs sin, while other factors like time management are still a thing. in a tournament setting I could definitely see that being a thing, but with the current pride level some characters just benefit more it is what it is. Def can’t really touch the rep cap since what Trevor said (imagine how easy it would be to build gg perf chars without that rep mod though) and for druid vs fireball, it isn’t even a discussion imo. 3 frames faster cast with unlimited tele, I think if the players are equal at any skill level the fb wins BUT the druid can still get kills at any level esp in tvt. If a necro is 90-10 vs the druid at 9 frame cast I would put fb at 95-5. If a pride match, no chance. As for druid no recast vs sin, 70/30 sin maybe? Mb isn’t the op factor there it’s wsg on the sin with BoS vs 11 frame tele/nado. Biggest hindrance of the druid if it was even 10 frame cast the experience would be 10x different between recasting etc.


I thought the idea of limiting zon frw to say 115 made sense in order to nerf wsg abusers. At the same time, kind of lame to punish the zons who only use wsg to get out of fhr situations and who actually just want the frw for better kiting or in psn zons case to actually chase people down. Regardless, you'd never get the zon people to agree to this in general, but it could be a good tourney rule.
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Feb 14 2021 05:15pm
Quote (Belarathon @ Feb 14 2021 06:12pm)
I thought the idea of limiting zon frw to say 115 made sense in order to nerf wsg abusers. At the same time, kind of lame to punish the zons who only use wsg to get out of fhr situations and who actually just want the frw for better kiting or in psn zons case to actually chase people down. Regardless, you'd never get the zon people to agree to this in general, but it could be a good tourney rule.


i agree 1 trillion percent and im a zon player, im down for 115 or 120 frw cap. plz lets make this happen.
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Feb 14 2021 05:21pm
Quote (MADIrishGunner @ 14 Feb 2021 16:15)
i agree 1 trillion percent and im a zon player, im down for 115 or 120 frw cap. plz lets make this happen.


I would have to buy 4x paw 3/20/15 to replace frw scs :’(. Essentially spending money to gimp her frw haha. But yeah would obv need to do it if the whole community agreed to change rule
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