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Quote (Melatonina @ Apr 20 2021 11:38am)
I had 10frw 10fhr 10rep 20 life ones back in the good old days


Blood boots though

I sold Ted a pair of 10 frw/10 fhr/20 life/10 rep/slower stamina drain battle boots like a year ago. I always wanted to put them on a hybrid sin
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i'm late but,
30/10/dex/mana/res boots are premium and if they aren't affordable/available then ck boots. the rw is great for wsging out of sticky situations and res is always a good add

i can't see a duel where mana boots would be preferred over rare/blood. i guess on europe sorcs see less immediate threats with the lack of tele chars and solid tvt, so maybe then mana is better..? i dunno

Cool boots tho

This post was edited by yeawhatup on Apr 20 2021 04:48am
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Quote (yeawhatup @ Apr 20 2021 06:30am)
i'm late but,
30/10/dex/mana/res boots are premium and if they aren't affordable/available then ck boots. the rw is great for wsging out of sticky situations and res is always a good add

i can't see a duel where mana boots would be preferred over rare/blood. i guess on europe sorcs see less immediate threats with the lack of tele chars and solid tvt, so maybe then mana is better..? i dunno

Cool boots tho


they also dont allow wsg on europe so maybe thats why, i can't wait to see ideologies collide when d2r comes out and we are all put on one realm and wsg still works lmao
oh and the dex could also be less valuable to them because only 65 block.

This post was edited by MADIrishGunner on Apr 20 2021 05:03am
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they also dont allow wsg on europe so maybe thats why, i can't wait to see ideologies collide when d2r comes out and we are all put on one realm and wsg still works lmao
oh and the dex could also be less valuable to them because only 65 block.


wsg or not i would prefer 20% rw over the 60 or so mana these boots would add
i also don't see any +dex value lost when dropping to 65% block

i think i'm in the wrong thread cause i can't find the post i was originally referring to lol

This post was edited by yeawhatup on Apr 20 2021 05:37am
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We have had solid tvt's on europe for years, albeit not as much in recent times as in the past. this also applies to other realms. There is no need to bash another realm. But yes, mobility it better again in a team environment then in 1v1. Mana boots are undoubtedly diminished @ tvt level were action can be frantic, compared to 1v1 where it is more controlled (and when overlaid with teleport vs all I can appreciate that mana boots are not considered hot stuff on east).

Dex is always valuable, provided its used. i.e. if cow kings, that those would be the only boots used, unless one uses other boots where max block is not required. As i mentioned in the recent esfb guide, cow kings are the minimum standard boots against which all other boots need to be compared (for sorc), that applies all realms to my mind.

in terms of wsg, the way the rule is written allows most characters to reasonably escape from mindblast while not allowing characters to run rings around barbarians that dont have teleport. i.e. in effect instant wsg is ok, prolonged is not ok.

Remember now, just because east invented the atom bomb (teleport for all) it does not mean that your society (LLD) was in any way worse before that point. to my mind frw based skill (except on bowa) has naturally diminished on east with the advent of teleport for all. this is not a bash, just a natural conclusion as a result of a divergence in play-styles. The one positive that i do see here would be that LLD zons on east should also play HLD noting the similar game mechanics' and the sheer level of experience obtained vs teleport.

As i have said to several people privately, nobody should really worry as to which rules will be applied, I honestly dont mind which set of rules is used, provided there is a set of rules, which allows each class to have at least 1 build to compete in a competitive manner vs all other classes in 1v1. While alot of players would appear to prefer having less viable classes / builds competing, this is not something I agree with, but each to their own. I see no issue with different rules existing in parallel, on the one server (as we see at HLD).

note that none of the above is intended to be negative, i am merely again trying to be neutral or clarify a position.

/e so many edits haha

This post was edited by ferdia on Apr 20 2021 05:58am
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We have had solid tvt's on europe for years, albeit not as much in recent times as in the past. this also applies to other realms. There is no need to bash another realm. But yes, mobility it better again in a team environment then in 1v1. Mana boots are undoubtedly diminished @ tvt level were action can be frantic, compared to 1v1 where it is more controlled (and when overlaid with teleport vs all I can appreciate that mana boots are not considered hot stuff on east).

Dex is always valuable, provided its used. i.e. if cow kings, that those would be the only boots used, unless one uses other boots where max block is not required. As i mentioned in the recent esfb guide, cow kings are the minimum standard boots against which all other boots need to be compared (for sorc), that applies all realms to my mind.

in terms of wsg, the way the rule is written allows most characters to reasonably escape from mindblast while not allowing characters to run rings around barbarians that dont have teleport. i.e. in effect instant wsg is ok, prolonged is not ok.

Remember now, just because east invented the atom bomb (teleport for all) it does not mean that your society (LLD) was in any way worse before that point. to my mind frw based skill (except on bowa) has naturally diminished on east with the advent of teleport for all. this is not a bash, just a natural conclusion as a result of a divergence in play-styles. The one positive that i do see here would be that LLD zons on east should also play HLD noting the similar game mechanics' and the sheer level of experience obtained vs teleport.

As i have said to several people privately, nobody should really worry as to which rules will be applied, I honestly dont mind which set of rules is used, provided there is a set of rules, which allows each class to have at least 1 build to compete in a competitive manner vs all other classes in 1v1. While alot of players would appear to prefer having less viable classes / builds competing, this is not something I agree with, but each to their own. I see no issue with different rules existing in parallel, on the one server (as we see at HLD).

note that none of the above is intended to be negative, i am merely again trying to be neutral or clarify a position.

/e so many edits haha


i wasn't bashing you or europe. i've dueled on east/europe through out the years and enjoyed my time on both and had good duels with all :)
all i was saying is that giving up 20 rw for 60 or so mana is not a good trade imo. i only mentioned europe in an attempt to understand your justification for it.

i dunno about d2r tho.. but that's not for this topic lol

fixed so that i quoted your final epic edit lol. i can't even find the post i was intending to reply to originally. it was something about rep, east, and what boots we prefer.. i was just trying to throw my opinion in

This post was edited by yeawhatup on Apr 20 2021 06:12am
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it might be in either the esfb guide or in the belt or the other boot topic, im not sure, but yes i remember the post. in some matchup's a sorc does not have to move other then to teleport but yes, at the highest levels of skill, the more frw the better.
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Quote (lld_mayhem @ Apr 20 2021 12:28pm)
Blood boots though

I sold Ted a pair of 10 frw/10 fhr/20 life/10 rep/slower stamina drain battle boots like a year ago. I always wanted to put them on a hybrid sin


battle boots :cry:

Quote (yeawhatup @ Apr 20 2021 12:30pm)
i'm late but,
30/10/dex/mana/res boots are premium and if they aren't affordable/available then ck boots. the rw is great for wsging out of sticky situations and res is always a good add

i can't see a duel where mana boots would be preferred over rare/blood. i guess on europe sorcs see less immediate threats with the lack of tele chars and solid tvt, so maybe then mana is better..? i dunno

Cool boots tho


I don't see either.
ck boots means you have 20 more stats for every other match up not required you to have max block.
Ive always used rep blood boots/ck and everything was fine.
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Quote (Melatonina @ Apr 21 2021 08:38am)
battle boots :cry:



I don't see either.
ck boots means you have 20 more stats for every other match up not required you to have max block.
Ive always used rep blood boots/ck and everything was fine.


Leave the cow king alone. Everyone keeps killing him for his shoes. BM imo
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Apr 21 2021 11:12am
Quote (yeawhatup @ 20 Apr 2021 05:34)
wsg or not i would prefer 20% rw over the 60 or so mana these boots would add
i also don't see any +dex value lost when dropping to 65% block

i think i'm in the wrong thread cause i can't find the post i was originally referring to lol


maybe posts 106 107 115 in this thread? around there
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