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Feb 14 2021 04:04pm
Quote (herpesfreesince03 @ Feb 14 2021 04:01pm)
Dueling trappers in lld is aids anyways if we are being honest



Idk chargers with insight staff seem to do fine vs them :P
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Feb 14 2021 04:06pm
Quote (herpesfreesince03 @ Feb 14 2021 04:58pm)
I thought we were talking fb vs druid but yeah I kinda see where you’re coming from.

I mean lld tele druid is going to die to trap sin 90% of the time as is

Esfb vs Druid, esfb would still have advantage imo. The entire gameplay is around esfb spamming. Especially in that mu, you’d never see a stomp unless either are low.

Ya Druid lld is severely at a disadvantage for obvious reasons. I think that’s why we had a discussion on trying to rebalance a few weeks ago, not sure what they landed on.

Quote (Darkss @ Feb 14 2021 04:59pm)
in that circumstance i only see it as a balance, say 2 chars absolute fighting to end a duel, will come down to who lands the decisive move, druids stomp or sins cq lay/lock , not some errant c/t trap or a simple whiff by the druid, sin gets kill by default just because she has traps around her.


I think sin would be 80-20 in a lld mu even with Druid recasting. The damage on a lld sin is just broken vs non sorb chars.
In hld it’s closer to 55-45 for sin because of shadow master, the way wb works, and the pure MB damage vs 0% dr druids
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Feb 14 2021 04:13pm
In addition,

I just want to know when this shit would materially effect gameplay where it’d be ABSOLUTELY broken for a Druid to recast.

In 1v1 MAYBE if the Druid is priding into the year 2035

But none of you guys even 1v1
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Feb 14 2021 04:15pm
Quote (MADIrishGunner @ Feb 14 2021 04:03pm)
not one tournament in the last year has gone by the general lld rules, not just the fpk tourney, all tourneys we have had in this sub in the last year have their own special rules. sorc and hdin and non xbow bow zon has not been allowed in a single event. i plan to hold a real general lld rules event once the current ones that are going on are over with, ted/asylum/snipa r gonna donate to the prize pool.



you are 100% right, other than trap dmg is 1-xxxx dmg so it can sometimes take multiple trap hits to clear cyc armors sorb. eitherway though that's just splitting hairs. there is still no difference recast or not druid is gonna get plowed vs a sin, and any good fb/fw.



i am one of the few who would not care and sides 100% with you on lowering rep. i purposefully have setups for all my chars with only 20 rep, and setups with 30 rep. and for din i can run 0 rep or 30 rep. but not everyone has backup gear so i see your point.



Rules that make people change gear is cancer in my opinion.

I say this out of eu rules where you could have literally the best Zon/sin ammy ever but too much rep so you have to limit your character.

Dumbest shit ever.

But then there’s the otherwise where aj has like a 50 rep sin on west like man.
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Quote (left_testy2 @ Feb 14 2021 04:04pm)
Idk chargers with insight staff seem to do fine vs them :P



If a trapper dies to an insight staff they should just delete the character
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Quote (herpesfreesince03 @ Feb 14 2021 02:15pm)
Rules that make people change gear is cancer in my opinion.

I say this out of eu rules where you could have literally the best Zon/sin ammy ever but too much rep so you have to limit your character.

Dumbest shit ever.

But then there’s the otherwise where aj has like a 50 rep sin on west like man.



Sin can get like 70 rep or something.
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Feb 14 2021 04:18pm
Quote (CloudMD @ Feb 14 2021 04:06pm)
Esfb vs Druid, esfb would still have advantage imo. The entire gameplay is around esfb spamming. Especially in that mu, you’d never see a stomp unless either are low.

Ya Druid lld is severely at a disadvantage for obvious reasons. I think that’s why we had a discussion on trying to rebalance a few weeks ago, not sure what they landed on.



I think sin would be 80-20 in a lld mu even with Druid recasting. The damage on a lld sin is just broken vs non sorb chars.
In hld it’s closer to 55-45 for sin because of shadow master, the way wb works, and the pure MB damage vs 0% dr druids



100% agree with everything you said I guess the only thing that could change the tides are a very superior druid player where they could counter and take advantage of the fb hit that doesn’t fhr them since of CA
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Quote (CloudMD @ Feb 14 2021 04:13pm)
In addition,

I just want to know when this shit would materially effect gameplay where it’d be ABSOLUTELY broken for a Druid to recast.

In 1v1 MAYBE if the Druid is priding into the year 2035

But none of you guys even 1v1



Yeah we did that in like 2009. Made a lot of everyone hate each other 😂
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Feb 14 2021 04:23pm
Quote (herpesfreesince03 @ Feb 14 2021 05:15pm)
Rules that make people change gear is cancer in my opinion.

I say this out of eu rules where you could have literally the best Zon/sin ammy ever but too much rep so you have to limit your character.

Dumbest shit ever.

But then there’s the otherwise where aj has like a 50 rep sin on west like man.


teds sin can get over 60 rep he showed me, we had a lil chuckle about it in the trade screen after he got it from matt.

and yea i understand that's why i can see why ppl don't wanna lower rep cap, but at the same time a lot of those ppl would just have to take 2 skulls out of their circlet to fit a rep cap of 20, and then u can use some jewels or prubies or w/e in their place and then when the cap is 30 u can just take the rubies out and put skulls back in, costs almost nothing to do this.
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Feb 14 2021 04:23pm
T/c rules stay the same

We gave it a good run tho buis :lol:
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