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Jan 6 2021 06:12am
Quote (lld_mayhem @ Jan 6 2021 07:05am)
Then that just means every team will be sin + barb, since there they are by far the best team comp allowable.
Tele druids get slammed by sins and barbs, so there isnt any incentive to play them.


Don’t care. Guys here gotta stop worry about losing or advantages.
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Jan 6 2021 06:31am
Quote (CloudMD @ Jan 6 2021 01:12pm)
Don’t care. Guys here gotta stop worry about losing or advantages.


I dont care about losing, never have. I just dont think anyone would enjoy playing windy/necro vs sin/barb. The disparity between the underdog and the meta is just too large.
If you were aiming for a one dimensional team comp, then you achieved that. But if you were aiming for more team comp variety, then the solution is to nerf the barb.

Anyways, good luck man. Im just trying to give you constructive criticism. This wasnt a personal jab at you or anything.
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Jan 6 2021 06:34am
Quote (CloudMD @ Jan 6 2021 07:12am)
Don’t care. Guys here gotta stop worry about losing or advantages.


give me access to the char i have gear for without xfering around a bunch of shit to play barb.

for a 2v2 event the only char that would be at all toxic is fb.

removing zon/hdin makes no sense. esfb is understandable.

but its just gonna be 1 team comp between every team of 2 for the most part. sin/barb. and i rly dont feel like bvbing w/ occasional mb spam on me for literally every single duel.
that concept just doesn't even sound fun, it's wwing out of mb namelock range and tele back in and spam more ww til ur out of mb namelock range again rinse/repeat because wsg'ing away under with a barb opponent is suicide.
atleast if we put hdin/zon into it aswell, it will be interesting because there are a bunch of teams of 2 that r different but still amazing.

i mean what even sounds fun about having an entire event based off of a sub-par skill requirement 2v2 as apposed to something like zon/hdin vs barb/hdin which takes a lot more skill use for both sides to win etc.
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Quote (lld_mayhem @ Jan 6 2021 07:31am)
I dont care about losing, never have. I just dont think anyone would enjoy playing windy/necro vs sin/barb. The disparity between the underdog and the meta is just too large.
If you were aiming for a one dimensional team comp, then you achieved that. But if you were aiming for more team comp variety, then the solution is to nerf the barb.

Anyways, good luck man. Im just trying to give you constructive criticism. This wasnt a personal jab at you or anything.


This is one of the reasons why I allowed amp originally to provide advantage to necro based teams but then people will complain about barb necro being huge advantage for everyone.
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Jan 6 2021 08:48am
Quote (MADIrishGunner @ Jan 6 2021 06:34am)
give me access to the char i have gear for without xfering around a bunch of shit to play barb.

for a 2v2 event the only char that would be at all toxic is fb.

removing zon/hdin makes no sense. esfb is understandable.

but its just gonna be 1 team comp between every team of 2 for the most part. sin/barb. and i rly dont feel like bvbing w/ occasional mb spam on me for literally every single duel.
that concept just doesn't even sound fun, it's wwing out of mb namelock range and tele back in and spam more ww til ur out of mb namelock range again rinse/repeat because wsg'ing away under with a barb opponent is suicide.
atleast if we put hdin/zon into it aswell, it will be interesting because there are a bunch of teams of 2 that r different but still amazing.

i mean what even sounds fun about having an entire event based off of a sub-par skill requirement 2v2 as apposed to something like zon/hdin vs barb/hdin which takes a lot more skill use for both sides to win etc.



Can access you full sin and druid. And have spare nec pieces. If you need lmk
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Jan 6 2021 09:18am
Quote (lld_mayhem @ Jan 6 2021 06:05am)
Then that just means every team will be sin + barb, since there they are by far the best team comp allowable.
Tele druids get slammed by sins and barbs, so there isnt any incentive to play them.



Agree with this. I will say Nec and Druid being able to recast armors makes it interesting tho
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Jan 6 2021 09:20am
Quote (left_testy2 @ Jan 6 2021 10:18am)
Agree with this. I will say Nec and Druid being able to recast armors makes it interesting tho


nothing will make it interesting, out of these selections sin+barb wil mutilate everything else if the barb knows how to play at all and even if sin has sub par mb skills and isnt even t hat amazing of a plauer.
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Jan 6 2021 10:40am
Quote (MADIrishGunner @ Jan 6 2021 10:20am)
nothing will make it interesting, out of these selections sin+barb wil mutilate everything else if the barb knows how to play at all and even if sin has sub par mb skills and isnt even t hat amazing of a plauer.


Quote (left_testy2 @ Jan 6 2021 10:18am)
Agree with this. I will say Nec and Druid being able to recast armors makes it interesting tho


You guys make a sin barb team then and join the ladder and win the PRIZE MONEY

I’d be shocked if you guys could 5-0 me lel
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Jan 6 2021 10:50am
Quote (MADIrishGunner @ Jan 6 2021 07:34am)
give me access to the char i have gear for without xfering around a bunch of shit to play barb.

for a 2v2 event the only char that would be at all toxic is fb.

removing zon/hdin makes no sense. esfb is understandable.

but its just gonna be 1 team comp between every team of 2 for the most part. sin/barb. and i rly dont feel like bvbing w/ occasional mb spam on me for literally every single duel.
that concept just doesn't even sound fun, it's wwing out of mb namelock range and tele back in and spam more ww til ur out of mb namelock range again rinse/repeat because wsg'ing away under with a barb opponent is suicide.
atleast if we put hdin/zon into it aswell, it will be interesting because there are a bunch of teams of 2 that r different but still amazing.

i mean what even sounds fun about having an entire event based off of a sub-par skill requirement 2v2 as apposed to something like zon/hdin vs barb/hdin which takes a lot more skill use for both sides to win etc.



Okay youre trying to convince me a hdin zon team is more interesting?

I can’t even take you serious. Because that’s a ridiculous fucking statement lmfao.

Let me know what mechanics are required for this match up...

Let’s pretend that we have this 2v2 set up

Hdin zon vs ANYTHING UNDER THE SUN

Are you really gonna try to convince me this team requires remotely any fucking skill? Let the hdin synch around while a conc’d zon is spamming and being protected by hammer fields, dodge, max block etc.. And if the other team gets close, she wsg’s away with vigor and repositions. Nice! Very nice skill involved here. To my math, combined between BOTH characters, there’s a total of 6 hotkeys without any swaps in between duels being used.
Charge
Vigor
Hammer
Conc
Guided arrows
Weapon switch

And to be VERY clear, these are not mechanically difficult skills to use.

Next,

Let me incorporate a firewall sorc and plague Java team too. Let me just run 175 frw and have this es mb firewall sorc spam for 20 mins while never being touched!

There’s a reason I didn’t let you run this tournament because you’d be too biased on the rules in your favour because all you wanna do is just win.

This tournament is just for fun. Either play it or not. Don’t just sit there and say this tournament isn’t interesting because it doesn’t incorporate specific characters that you and your already predetermined partner for hdin/zon team can’t play

This post was edited by CloudMD on Jan 6 2021 10:54am
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Jan 6 2021 11:47am
Remember necro s have clay golem too, sin nec isn’t a bad team vs sin barb with mb prison

Nec druid with recasts have a chance too

I’m sure the barb will dominate but it won’t be the same as chasing down frw chars who have no hope other than wsging away

Sure you can get chunked with a staff out too but the barb will have a tough time landing hits on good players imo.

Torn on going druid or nec but ofc contemplating the sin for you
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