or maybe next time we can just try an event that fits the popular vote regardless if it hurts 1 class in particular more than others to promote having a fun time instead of dueling the same char for half of ur duels. this same style event without dins would be way more fun for next time. nn f-tier lol.

i mean cmon andy its not like the 3 ppl ud be upsetting have nothing else they could use. and there is no proving whether a change like that will lower the signup amount or increase it without trying it first.

i love dins more than any other person who has posted on their behalf i just found them boring for a c-tier event like this one and based on the poll results i feel others agreed.

moving on from the din topic that has clearly played itself out though, why is no one talking about druids not being allowed teleport. thats just as damaging if not more so than no charge on paladin. they r going to lose to literally any char with mobility and have an insanely hard time catching something like a trapsin or psn zon or spear nec which all have more range. based on what u said about 3 ppl already wanting to play vt this basically means anyone wanting to signup on druid is going to have a seriously boring time because they will either lose hard to anything with more range and mobility, and then have 3 boring duels vs the vts.

maybe making it so if u use telestaff on druid ur not allowed a shield would be more fair?

p.s. plz do not take anything i am saying or discussing as a complaint as this is a rule discussion topic and i think its fun to discuss stuff like this to help create more fun events in the future.

I ran the numbers, charge = good, and pally = op.

also # of pallys who can enter tourney = 2, # of posts on pally rules = 150. imbalanced.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 6 2020 05:56am

even without the possible zealers and only counting the ppl who wanna signup as smite its almost half of the current signups. which was asylums reason for not changing the rule even tho it was voted on. solid reason to have a long discussion imo but its def played out now. decision will be whatever the tourney organizer wants it to be.

anywho, lmk what u think on telestaff being allowed on druid if u dont use a shield. seems a lot more balanced than no tele at all considering a druid without tele has worse mobility and range than anything else.

druid w/ tele + shield = op in the current rules, so obviously op and banned

druid w/o tele + shield = has a chance vs pallys (they come to you), but loses to 125 frw zon

druid w/o shield + tele = dead in all matchups imo

i dont see a no block druid beating any pallys, melee sins, or zons. but i suppose vs necro it could do ok.

honestly i doubt someone wants to do a druid. but if they do they could ask.

also, druid could stack frw charms, they have larger life than many builds due to oak.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 6 2020 06:06am

very solid points, but without tele oak is dying faster than u can recast it and keep up any kind of effective attack so adidng frw charms just because u get more life because of an oak that u cant effectively keep up is kinda bad.

also druid has summons and as long as u keep a spirit sword on ur no shield no telestaff side you can swap and recast 5 wolves + oak after c/t teleing away from harm and use them as replacement shields. Zealers r nerfed to the point they won't be played and 6 summon shield telestomp is effective vs vt even w/o shield side being used i do it all the time. wolves can also eat a psn cloud thrown by jav zon if u time it right and are quick enough.

so really it comes down to player preference, so how about a rule like no shield u can tele, or shield u cant tele.

i think rules are best made by those wanting to enter. like whenever i enter on shocker i ask about over 75 res rule, because mine has 84 light res from skills. or if i wanted to play this tourney id have asked about MB on a melee sin w/ pt wof, like markhor did.

making a long rule list for a tourney like this seems silly, its a 1 off thing. so let people ask if they want to play a char and let the chips fall where they may.

here's some op builds you can debate

double throw (almost won entire b tier)
jab/light fury zon
plague/light fury zon
cs zon
fury druid

totally understand that, but i have a druid mate. depending on the outcome of the question i may play it. but there is also the flip side of asking questions like that only when its what you want to play. like people thinking you want things a certain way for your own benefit which ive already been accused of not wanting vts because what i want to play is bad vs them by bela.

its not like we've gained enough signups to start the event yet so the rule discussion continues and continuing to ask questions and discuss possible changes also keeps this topic on the top for more possible signups to see.

This post was edited by MADIrishGunner on Aug 6 2020 06:37am

This thread just wont please everyone

What if we just do a sorc vs sorc tourney or ladder or whatever

This post was edited by Haseo on Aug 6 2020 06:40am

is that your way of saying no to the no shield on druid can tele idea?

ban ted from signing up as dbl throw, ban psn jav on zon so that a psn zon has to use plague which doesnt last as long and favors their mobility less.

cs zon is far from op i see no reason to need changes esp with 3 vts in the event which will easily keep cs zon in check.

fury druid maybe no grim scythe so they dont have ridiculous range.

This post was edited by MADIrishGunner on Aug 6 2020 06:41am