Quote (Twinsen @ Feb 24 2017 12:44pm)

My opinion from my own experience :lol:

tier 1

Fb
Fw
Ls trap
teledruid ( maybe tier 2 for tvt. )
barb ( def tier 1 for tvt, tier 1 or 2 for 1v1 )

tier 2

blizz
lightsorc
libby & hdin ( Probably tier 1 for tvt considering how versatile it is and good for 1vX and aura support, vigor for rushing or hammer fields to protect team etc )
bowa
plague/ga
charger
necro

While all in tier 2 can be strong if played well, for both 1v1s and tvt they do have at least 3 or more disadvantage matchups each imo.

tier 3

v/t
shaper
cs java
kicker
uncommon builds etc.

(builds that are at a disadvantage in more than half of the 1v1 m/u's.)
Could be more precise with 4 tiers but cba :P

Quote (Pants1 @ 24 Feb 2017 11:50)

What in the fuck are top tier druids doing that I've never seen. They have seemed unviable when I've dueled vs them

Quote (Twinsen @ Feb 24 2017 05:44pm)

My opinion from my own experience :lol:

tier 1

Fb
Fw
Ls trap
teledruid ( maybe tier 2 for tvt. )
barb ( def tier 1 for tvt, tier 1 or 2 for 1v1 )

tier 2

blizz
lightsorc
libby & hdin ( Probably tier 1 for tvt considering how versatile it is and good for 1vX and aura support, vigor for team rushing or hammer fields to protect team etc )
bowa
plague/ga
charger
necro

While all in tier 2 can be strong if played well, for both 1v1s and tvt they do have at least 3 or more disadvantage matchups each imo.

tier 3

v/t
shaper
cs java
kicker
uncommon builds etc.

(builds that are at a disadvantage in more than half of the 1v1 m/u's.)
Could be more precise with 4 tiers but cba :P maybe forgot some builds.

Quote (Belarathon @ Feb 24 2017 12:57pm)

I'm not top on druid but maybe one of the better ones left on east, certainly not as good as Twinsen from what I hear, but I'd duel you both for practice and to show you what a druid who can at least be called "not bad" is doing.

I know we have pm'd back and forth about it but haven't been able to find time to get it done, I've just moved across the country again so I've been pretty busy. Could probably get on for it sometime in the next week to get em done however it's hard to find a day with good ping now that I live out west again. Some days I can cruise around 150 which is good enough haha but most days it's 300+ which is when I just play Chrono Trigger.

Quote (Pants1 @ 24 Feb 2017 12:57)

Howbdobyou against other good libbys

Quote (Belarathon @ 24 Feb 2017 12:57)

I'm not top on druid but maybe one of the better ones left on east, certainly not as good as Twinsen from what I hear, but I'd duel you both for practice and to show you what a druid who can at least be called "not bad" is doing.

I know we have pm'd back and forth about it but haven't been able to find time to get it done, I've just moved across the country again so I've been pretty busy. Could probably get on for it sometime in the next week to get em done however it's hard to find a day with good ping now that I live out west again. Some days I can cruise around 150 which is good enough haha but most days it's 300+ which is when I just play Chrono Trigger.

Quote (Pants1 @ Feb 24 2017 04:50pm)

What in the fuck are top tier druids doing that I've never seen. They have seemed unviable when I've dueled vs them

Quote (TShaman @ Feb 24 2017 05:34pm)

u cant really rank classes in tiers for tvt's sorry to say.

Quote (Twinsen @ Feb 24 2017 02:09pm)

Well if the druid got pretty fast namelocks and keep zoo up all the time they are tough to beat for most chars.
The playstyle is a bit different from other lld builds maybe thats why many lld druids make many mistakes. Like forgetting to recast wolves or having a hard time to land nados or choosing to stomp at the wrong moment.
I've played hld druid quite a bit before I started playing lld dru which I guess helped alot.
Just had to get used with a slower fcr bp and not caressely teleporting around the moor wasting charges.
Wait for the right oppurtunity to nl stomp or tele into your opponents blindspot where they run or wsg or synch next.



¿que? I don't understand what you mean^^ You can make tiers for pretty much everything? :P I just wasn't sure if this was for 1v1 or tvt or both, but it's mostly the same anyways imo.

Quote (Pants1 @ 24 Feb 2017 13:29)

You can't stomp me ill upcharge you some of the time which will likely kill you with your staff out which it will be

Quote (Belarathon @ Feb 24 2017 02:31pm)

Not with 5 wolves out though. That's the whole reason druids can do well vs hammerdins, because they can stomp them safely.