what is your argument exactly?

"allowing dupes in open lld dueling would mean that lld melee players would try to sneak dupes" ?

they probably already do sneak dupe jewels, or have dupes that they don't know are dupes. i'm not sure how this makes it any less a matter of trust than it already is in melee

allowing dupes will make MORE DUPERS DUPE. jesus i said that multiple times.

having to "trust" people when there are a select number of duped graphic/colors is different than them ALL being duped

see previous post about the argument that the rules you guys make are strong enough to make any difference in what dupers dupe.....

dupes are not currently allowed

dupers have already duped mass lld jewels

sites already sell 15/12's, etc ~ ( they aren't unperm so who cares ? )

because of the ban against dupes duping is curbed. lifting the ban would admittedly not raise the demand alot as d2 is dying.

still thats a pool i dont want to dip a toe in

yes

and he'd be able to do it in 2 days

n1

yea they count, normaly i start off with basic 15 lifers, and ones i have found MF'ng then i upgrade from there.

15 lifers i am sure are not something most here would consider cream of the crop charms.

you can sure tell where everyone sits on this issue... from this one thread.

This post was edited by WarlocksDad on Dec 1 2010 12:32am

I think the issue is confused when people try to differentiate between usable llders and trophy chars. A dupe can never be a trophy. Most good llder's want their chars to be looked at as trophy's because of the amount of work that goes into collecting them. Allot of the enjoyment in lld comes from the amount of effort you can put into a char to make it work properly. If we allow dupes to be considered gm then we take away people's motivation to make their chars legitly and take away from the enjoyment that ensues from the effort we put into them. When we make a hld hdin with shako, hoto, nigma, torch, skillers we are making an extremely affective (if played properly) yet boring char with no unique features or originality. In my mind lld is an attempt to get away from the extremely common use of mods, dupes, and imports that cheapen the efforts of people who are trying to keep the game it was originally intended to be played. The way they've enjoyed it since it came out when they were 14. The way they grew up with it. If you want to use dupes fine, do it. Don't expect people who don't want to see them and what they represent to be accepting of the very thing they were trying to avoid when they came from hld pvp to lld pvp.