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Aug 13 2010 05:45am
Quote (Dwerfs @ Aug 13 2010 11:44am)
hammerdines wouldn't, other paladinos would though. but i think it's childish to hate on desynch.


no its not, its just overpowered.

when i see leevolkas weapon lol. he can charge + hammer ( when he is invisble )

thats just lame.
There is no point to discuss it, its just lame.

ban medi/vigor when charging.
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Aug 13 2010 05:46am
Quote (Octogenarian @ Aug 13 2010 12:45pm)
no its not, its just overpowered.

when i see leevolkas weapon lol. he can charge + hammer ( when he is invisble )

thats just lame.
There is no point to discuss it, its just lame.

ban medi/vigor when charging.


there are more fucked up stuff like insight on blizz which will be allowed. i don't see the reason lol, to make them play off - "allowing more cold res" is ferdias counter argument to allow them, but people can't take it stacking up ~75 for foh? :zzz:
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Aug 13 2010 05:54am
Quote (Octogenarian @ Aug 13 2010 12:45pm)
no its not, its just overpowered.

when i see leevolkas weapon lol. he can charge + hammer ( when he is invisble )

thats just lame.
There is no point to discuss it, its just lame.

ban medi/vigor when charging.


It's like saying " when I see ferdia's ama ". Not everyone have their items, you can't make things based on rich ppl's.

And it's not like Lee was def hdin, he doesnt " passives charges " but make off charges. Also, with practice, you can anticipate synch ofc.

Banning vigor is debatable, even tho i'm against it, but then allow medi, no way you forbid both.

Quote (Dwerfs @ Aug 13 2010 12:46pm)
there are more fucked up stuff like insight on blizz which will be allowed. i don't see the reason lol, to make them play off - "allowing more cold res" is ferdias counter argument to allow them, but people can't take it stacking up ~75 for foh? :zzz:


Blizz is a very " weak " build, so I would allow it : crap % mana regen / high mana tele cost ( unlike fire/light ).

This post was edited by maximus_le_roi on Aug 13 2010 05:54am
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Aug 13 2010 05:55am
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It's like saying " when I see ferdia's ama ". Not everyone have their items, you can't make things based on rich ppl's.

And it's not Lee was def hdin, he doesnt " passives charges " but make off charges. Also, with practice, you can anticipate synch ofc.

Banning vigor is debatable, even tho i'm against it, but then allow medi, no way you forbid both.



Blizz is a very " weak " build, so I would allow it : crap % mana regen / high mana tele cost ( unlike fire/light ).


v/t is extermely weak aswell tbh. I've thought of talking with Ferdia and create a fund based call out with 25 fg bets. if you beat the v/t you'll get 25 fg, if not you pay us 25 fg. This is to show people that v/t's arent as overpowered as people want to believe.

If you catch a v/t with foh switch as a caster he's dead. period. melee chars? no problem stacking with them


hard to stack with them, low mana, low life, everything is pretty low on them, even the dmg. but hence it's a hybrid it's good enough

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Aug 13 2010 07:22am
Quote (Dwerfs @ Aug 13 2010 11:55am)
v/t is extermely weak aswell tbh. I've thought of talking with Ferdia and create a fund based call out with 25 fg bets. if you beat the v/t you'll get 25 fg, if not you pay us 25 fg. This is to show people that v/t's arent as overpowered as people want to believe.

If you catch a v/t with foh switch as a caster he's dead. period. melee chars? no problem stacking with them


hard to stack with them, low mana, low life, everything is pretty low on them, even the dmg. but hence it's a hybrid it's good enough


i agree, its just when ppl get 200 smite dmg and 6k+foh dmg and call it a hybrid thats when it gets stupid :P
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Aug 13 2010 07:25am
Quote (maximus_le_roi @ Aug 13 2010 11:54am)
It's like saying " when I see ferdia's ama ". Not everyone have their items, you can't make things based on rich ppl's.

And it's not like Lee was def hdin, he doesnt " passives charges " but make off charges. Also, with practice, you can anticipate synch ofc.

Banning vigor is debatable, even tho i'm against it, but then allow medi, no way you forbid both.



Blizz is a very " weak " build, so I would allow it : crap % mana regen / high mana tele cost ( unlike fire/light ).


it make no sense to discuss about it anymore. you wont get it.
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Aug 13 2010 07:26am
Quote (LeeVolka @ Aug 13 2010 02:22pm)
i agree, its just when ppl get 200 smite dmg and 6k+foh dmg and call it a hybrid thats when it gets stupid :P


Indeed, which is what i've always claimed. i don't care if they nerf foh to be max -x% res - via conv or facets. but i don't see the reason to ban 2.3k or 2.6k foh
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Aug 13 2010 07:33am
Quote (maximus_le_roi @ 13 Aug 2010 12:54)
It's like saying " when I see ferdia's ama ". Not everyone have their items, you can't make things based on rich ppl's.

And it's not like Lee was def hdin, he doesnt " passives charges " but make off charges. Also, with practice, you can anticipate synch ofc.

Banning vigor is debatable, even tho i'm against it, but then allow medi, no way you forbid both.



Blizz is a very " weak " build, so I would allow it : crap % mana regen / high mana tele cost ( unlike fire/light ).


ofc you MUST make rules for the best equipped / skilled people. if u don't do that, they have free wins

and imo insight on blizz is a joke

i made a cool orb sorc but i had to put 345323 skills in tk/warmth/tele to be able to play aggressive/make pressure without having 0 mana in 30sec so i end up with low dmg and it takes time/patience/skill to kill stuff like amas
blizz players should do the same instead of making other ppl get 234234res when they complain about 75%res vs foh

This post was edited by harabec on Aug 13 2010 07:39am
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Aug 13 2010 08:22am
lol michel, fer war das ein oder andere mal kurz davor genau das zu machen, was du jetzt fordest. Aber wieso sollte man dich mit deinem jetzigen, ueberkandidelten, ueberspielten schreibstil jemals wieder in solchen diskussionen ernst nehmen?
Fuer mich ist das gut. Ich bin absolut fuer charge+vigor, mindestens aber fuer charge. Nur... Sonst haben wir meist aehnliche ansichten, also ernst plx :p

@topic: lees sc gives him maybe 30% more dmg than ordinary libs on charge with oath. Not too much for a 5% active use spell.




This post was edited by dyl4nd0u on Aug 13 2010 08:26am
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Aug 13 2010 08:29am
Quote (dyl4nd0u @ Aug 13 2010 03:22pm)
lol michel, fer war das ein oder andere mal kurz davor genau das zu machen, was du jetzt fordest. Aber wieso sollte man dich mit deinem jetzigen, ueberkandidelten, ueberspielten schreibstil jemals wieder in solchen diskussionen ernst nehmen?
Fuer mich ist das gut. Ich bin absolut fuer charge+vigor, mindestens aber fuer charge. Nur... Sonst haben wir meist aehnliche ansichten, also ernst plx :p

@topic: lees sc gives him maybe 30% more dmg than ordinary libs on charge with oath. Not too much for a 5% active use spell.


30% is a lot, 3 active charges on an ama and it's alrdy an extra hit. point being > it do makes a massive difference
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