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Mar 29 2016 07:36am
Quote (meegz1 @ Mar 29 2016 06:23am)
i kept a Gravenspine for this 24 stuff if anyone is going to do a nec and needs a starter. 2 nec, 20 stats, mana...pretty meh w/ no fcr...but should be able to get it workign since you're probably using fcr rings


That would be a sexy wand lol. n1 starter wep for sure.

I'll be posting a build for a 24 es chargedboltress here in a bit that i'd love some feedback on. I think it will be quite the build lol.
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Preface: I understand this build would be worse than a Fireballer, Firewaller, and Iceblast/Blizzer. I have 4x sorc ammys and 1 is light. Gotta make something sexy out of it.

Lvl 24 Chargedboltress Build:

Design Concept:

-with +light skills ES might only work on this element without some Cube shenanigans.
-level and damage of opponents is i believe in a sweetspot to be DR/MDR reduced to low totals
-I have the ammy to make it work somewhat i believe

Skills: (total 35)

Charged Bolt=20
Lightning=11
Chain=1
Telek=1
Telep=1
Energy Shield=1

Helm: 1 light / life-mana-rep-dr-mdr (something like this)
Ammy: 1 light / 10 FCR / 41 Life / 10 Replife / 11 DTM
Rings: 10 FCR / 60 Mana / MDR / DR
Armor: Stealth
Belt: Nightsmoke
Gloves: Bloodyfist
Boots: ???? (rare? crafted safety? Cowkings? hotspurs vs sorcs?)
Orb: 1 sorc / 20 fcr / 3 light / 3 charged bolt (not even sure what can all spawn with tier one skill like Charged bolt, have to play around with it)
Shield: Rare boneshield (10+fhr / 30-20 / mdr-dr)
Swap: 4 ES orb/staff
Charms: 39x 15-12 life-mana + 1x 2 str / 12 mana


Stats:

Charged Bolt Dmg: 28-31 x .17(pvp) x .25(res) = About 1 x 24 Bolts
Lightning Dmg: 1-568 x .17 x .25 = 0-24 pvp dmg

Faster Cast Rate: 10(ammy) + 20(rings) + 25(stealth) + 10-20(orb/circ) = 63 Breakpoint (9 Frame) (14 frame Lightning eww)
Faster Hit Recovery: 30(Bfists) + 25(Stealth) + 10(shield) = 60 Breakpoint (8 Frame)
Damage to Mana: 11(ammy) + 50(Nightsmoke) + xx(shield + shield/orb jewels) = 61+ DTM
Frw: 20 (Cowkings) + 25 ( str bugged Stealth) = 45 FRW
DR: 2(Nightsmoke) + 4(2x Rings) + 3(circlet) + 3(boneshield) = 12 DR (possible additional 4 for 16 total using Duskdeep)
MDR: 3(stealth) + 4(2x Rings) + 3(circlet) + 3(boneshield) = 13 MDR
Replife: 10(ammy) + 10(2x skulls in Helm) =20 (could be up to 30 depending on 2x Ring stats, but would lose either fcr/dr/mdr roll)

Questions:

-Does MDR apply to each Charged bolt individually or the total damage done by a volley? If its each bolt every stealth wearing char (all at 24 basically) would be essentially immune to charged bolt stomps?

-Worth it to pump str and ditch the FHR breakpoints? Could use Bvert Keep, Crafted Greaves, Crafted Gauntlets, Sigons shield on swap for 1 more es.

-MB worth ditching? With Cow kings and a boneshield it doesnt seem like a lot of input, especially if i can get dex / dtm / life-mana jewels for the Orb and Shield.

-Thunderstorm? My gut tells me not worth the investment.

-Warmth worth a point? Reduces Lightning dmg by quite a bit, same with Chargedbolt. Wouldn't get a whole hell of a lot with lvl 2 (+1 from orb potentially)

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 29 2016 08:41am
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Mar 29 2016 09:06am
Does MDR apply to each Charged bolt individually? I believe so, yes.
Worth it to pump str and ditch the FHR breakpoints? Your problem will be killing and pumping str wont help
MB worth ditching? I would probably keep it. Especially if one of few 24s you are going to duel is that bonesnap pala you are making
Thunderstorm/Warmth? - No. In fact I would abandon ES and Warmth too and put into lightning for every drop of damage you can muster.

I think you can push it to 38-41 cb and 1-655 lightning if you go pure damage (also it would mean you dont need +1 sorc on the staff as 1 to light tree would do the same). Either way it wouldn't kill an 18 :S
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Does MDR apply to each Charged bolt individually? I believe so, yes.
Worth it to pump str and ditch the FHR breakpoints? Your problem will be killing and pumping str wont help
MB worth ditching? I would probably keep it. Especially if one of few 24s you are going to duel is that bonesnap pala you are making
Thunderstorm/Warmth? - No. In fact I would abandon ES and Warmth too and put into lightning for every drop of damage you can muster.

I think you can push it to 38-41 cb and 1-655 lightning if you go pure damage (also it would mean you dont need +1 sorc on the staff as 1 to light tree would do the same). Either way it wouldn't kill an 18 :S


Ya i think the only "chance" it has is below 75 light res opponents or those with literal zero MDR..... gaaaaaay

I suppose it needs to use lightning vs most opponents then. hmmmm that MDR/bolt thing is what i feared

End Result: Def not worth 39 15-12s lol. Maybe if i have some gcs laying around I can give it a go tho, cant really cap light res in the rules at say 50 to balance it either lol
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Mar 29 2016 09:28am
Alternatively you could build two of these sorcs with a tarnhelm/spine of lazarus and slug it out in the inner cloister very very slowly ^^

/e or if you insist on a lightning build, go for a build like an 18 shiver sorc with nova. I think you could hit 123-178 nova damage, add in an es switch and the additional shiver armor skills posisble and it might at least live a while longer.

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Alternatively you could build two of these sorcs with a tarnhelm/spine of lazarus and slug it out in the inner cloister very very slowly ^^

/e or if you insist on a lightning build, go for a build like an 18 shiver sorc with nova. I think you could hit 123-178 nova damage, add in an es switch and the additional shiver armor skills posisble and it might at least live a while longer.


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Mar 29 2016 09:37am
Make lvl 24 staff fballer or fwaller like a champ

Also a lvl 23-24 cser may work too!

E: for some reason i recall a lvl 18 cb sorc actually doing decent dmg when telestomping. Obviously not a build that would beat a charger or zon but for 2nd-3rd tier build it seemed a fun try.

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Make lvl 24 staff fballer or fwaller like a champ

Also a lvl 23-24 cser may work too!

E: for some reason i recall a lvl 18 cb sorc actually doing decent dmg when telestomping. Obviously not a build that would beat a charger or zon but for 2nd-3rd tier build it seemed a fun try.


Whopper and later BJcummings both made light sorcs that i remember. In tvt vs a less than 75 res opponent a CB sorc will melt the opponent on stomps, BJs was named CoralReef IIRC if anyone remembers that char. It was a lot of fun for sure.

So far i'm thinking of a big shared acc, will have a fireballer or firewaller on it for sure. same with CS. Prob a blizzer, thrower, pnb, or something as well. we'll see
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Quote (excellence @ Mar 29 2016 03:37pm)
Make lvl 24 staff fballer or fwaller like a champ

Also a lvl 23-24 cser may work too!

E: for some reason i recall a lvl 18 cb sorc actually doing decent dmg when telestomping. Obviously not a build that would beat a charger or zon but for 2nd-3rd tier build it seemed a fun try.


24 cs/bow and plague/bow are definitely options. Having 3/xx/15s is a massive addition at 24, although perhaps if the duels are going to be 18v24 a compromise would be to use a lvl18 inventory if too one sided.

As for lightning res, I dont know about East but on EU pretty much every 18 has max light res.

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24 cs/bow and plague/bow are definitely options. Having 3/xx/15s is a massive addition at 24, although perhaps if the duels are going to be 18v24 a compromise would be to use a lvl18 inventory if too one sided.


thats essentially what i was thinking for an 18 tvt joiner on EU. 24 nado druid with 18 inv. only 24 items would be pelt + tele staff, and with no hurricane tele stomps should be "balanced"

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As for lightning res, I dont know about East but on EU pretty much every 18 has max light res.


IIRC the old one mostly caught out bowas on bow side and badly built chars lol. although that was like 6 years ago so the pool of chars was much diminished.

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