that or he is really gfg at getting off triwhirlsXD

as far as the original question is concerned I think we are as close to an answer now as we can ever be - more dmg with peace (slightly) versus a life bonus on ampos. robo/honor or robo/robo is up to the barb but he can expect more damage, without a doubt via robo/robo -
everybody is on the same page, no?

I dont know what kind of barb experience you have but if you've encountered people who will allow themselves to be tri-whirled (that arent shift-smiters) you've already found more success than the rest of us
edit: dueling any decent caster, you are fortunte enough if you can follow up the 1st third of the whirl w/ the 2nd part of the triangle - if you manage to get three its because they've already decided they're tanking your sorry ass
no disrespect intended to spoons


This post was edited by macktasticvoyage on Feb 9 2010 10:13pm

the choice is mainly honor/robo/ampos or robo/robo/peace
with honor/robo/ampos u get:
more life, more rep, more frw, more dmg when tri whirling/short wws
with robo/robo/peace u get:
more crit, more dmg from long whirls and most other whirls but tri whirling




was joking ofc, but yea if u do lots of short whirls the effect is the same in which the speed of the honor wep will be the same as the robo

This post was edited by zspoonz on Feb 9 2010 10:17pm

well, I think over the course of the last few pages we've (or at least I had hoped to) shown that robo/robo ampos is completely viable and that the bonuses gained from using an honor are easily negated by the massive damage hike incurred via robo/robo
but forgive me for saying we were all decided

edit: as far as the tri-whirl vs. long whirl is concerned - tri-whirls almost always (yes, its not always) do the most damage possible- sadly, they just arent possible as often as we would like them to be, particularly versus better players and better runners. Any barb that says he even gets 2/3rd of a tri-whirl completed 50% of the time vs running chars is downright lying, its not possible to stick with someone WHILE whirling in a triangle shape and they have free run on the moor
I think we can *therefore* say that if you had geared with honor because you thought you would be tri-whirling at least half the time, you were mistaken in your strategy as well as your gear


This post was edited by macktasticvoyage on Feb 9 2010 10:21pm

but those dmg calcs never incorporated the free hit checks in which the honor wep would attack as fast as a robo wep for the first 2 checks, therefore increasing the dmg output for short whirls

This post was edited by zspoonz on Feb 9 2010 10:19pm

again, I completely understand your point - I just think it's naive to expect to be able to tri-whirl when you want
by the way, if there are any good barbs that disagree i'd love to hear them state their opinion on this


This post was edited by macktasticvoyage on Feb 9 2010 10:23pm

for short whirls in general honor/robo is better. lets say u try to clip someone in a duel, u will more than likely use a short whirl instead of a long whirl, in which the first checks the honor will be just as fast as a robo. only when using long whirls for desync will robo/robo be better. most of the time the barb will use short whirls to decrease the time he is in ww and being slower. so the honor setup will have more dmg if u use many short whirls more than u do long whirls. so the honor setup would increase dmg output even if u dont include triwhirls. i was just trying to illustrate that honor is good for short ww's like when u triwhirl, i was not trying to say that honor will only be good for tri whirlsXD

essentially what you guys have been discussing over the last page is why i use robo/honor/maxer plate

didnt know why it worked better with my clips, just that it did. which is something that i saw one of you post a page or two back, which is the single most important thing about playing a barb well.

you have to find out what works well for YOU. not what works well for me, mack, bel, mei, etc etc...we all play differently. you need to try it out for yourself because something may change with the way you duel compared to any of us (i know i said this in pm's already, this is for anyone else reading this). the largest factor in playing a barb at high levels of effectiveness are using what you are comfortable with and what you feel works the best. there will be guidelines, but its ultimately your playstyle that determines the final decisions.

this if you don't have good rare swords